- start: 10.203
  end: 11.344
  speaker: unknown
  en: Welcome back to Shameless Popery.
  zh: 欢迎回到无耻教皇党。
- start: 11.344
  end: 12.725
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm Joe Heschmeyer.
  zh: 我是乔·赫施迈尔。
- start: 13.265
  end: 15.687
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, I wanted to continue the theme of last week.
  zh: 所以，我想继续上周的主题。
- start: 15.687
  end: 20.51
  speaker: unknown
  en: Last week, I talked about how integral the Eucharist is to understanding Christianity.
  zh: 上周，我谈到了圣餐在理解基督教中的重要性。
- start: 20.51
  end: 24.712
  speaker: unknown
  en: That if you don't understand the New Covenant, you don't understand Christianity.
  zh: 如果你不理解新约，你就不理解基督教。
- start: 24.993
  end: 29.441
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that if you don't understand the Eucharist, you don't understand the New Covenant.
  zh: 如果你不理解圣餐，你就不理解新约。
- start: 29.441
  end: 33.462
  speaker: unknown
  en: If you want to check out last week's episode, you can get the fuller version of that argument.
  zh: 如果你想查看上周的节目，你可以获得更完整的论述。
- start: 33.642
  end: 39.484
  speaker: unknown
  en: But today, I want to continue a theme from my new book, which is called The Eucharist is Really Jesus
  zh: 但今天，我想继续我新书中的一个主题，这本书叫《圣餐真的是耶稣》。
- start: 39.484
  end: 42.804
  speaker: unknown
  en: How Christ's Body and Blood are the Key to Everything We Believe.
  zh: 基督的身体和血如何成为我们信仰的一切关键。
- start: 43.505
  end: 49.546
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I want to look particularly at the connection between getting the Eucharist right and getting worship right.
  zh: 我特别想探讨正确理解圣餐与正确敬拜之间的联系。
- start: 49.83
  end: 54.872
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the argument I want to make is that much of what we call Protestant worship isn't actually worship at all.
  zh: 我想提出的论点是，很多所谓的新教敬拜其实根本不是敬拜。
- start: 54.872
  end: 57.093
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I want to be clear about a few things as we start off.
  zh: 在开始时，我想澄清几件事。
- start: 57.093
  end: 60.634
  speaker: unknown
  en: First, I'm not actually saying what they're doing is bad.
  zh: 首先，我并不是说他们在做的事情不好。
- start: 60.814
  end: 62.435
  speaker: unknown
  en: Just what they're doing isn't worship.
  zh: 只是他们在做的不是敬拜。
- start: 62.435
  end: 63.375
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's Bible studies.
  zh: 是查经。
- start: 63.375
  end: 64.175
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's teaching.
  zh: 是教导。
- start: 64.175
  end: 64.816
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's preaching.
  zh: 是讲道。
- start: 64.816
  end: 68.257
  speaker: unknown
  en: All of those are good things as long as they're done orthodoxly.
  zh: 只要这些事情是正统地进行的，都是好事。
- start: 68.577
  end: 69.917
  speaker: unknown
  en: But they're not worship.
  zh: 但它们不是敬拜。
- start: 70.198
  end: 74.279
  speaker: unknown
  en: In the same way that if I have friends over and serve my neighbor, that's really good.
  zh: 就像如果我邀请朋友来并服务我的邻居，那是非常好的。
- start: 74.279
  end: 75.44
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's really beautiful.
  zh: 那是非常美好的。
- start: 75.44
  end: 79.321
  speaker: unknown
  en: But that's not the same thing as what happens in worship in the mass.
  zh: 但那与弥撒中的敬拜不同。
- start: 80.49
  end: 85.295
  speaker: unknown
  en: The second thing I want to make really clear is that there's not just one thing that is Protestant worship.
  zh: 第二，我想澄清的是，新教敬拜不只有一种形式。
- start: 85.295
  end: 88.077
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, you've got the liturgist James White.
  zh: 比如，有礼仪学者詹姆斯·怀特。
- start: 88.077
  end: 92.381
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is not the more anti-Catholic, Reformed preacher, James White.
  zh: 这不是那个更反对公教会的改革宗传道人詹姆斯·怀特。
- start: 92.381
  end: 93.722
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is another guy.
  zh: 这是另一个人。
- start: 93.783
  end: 103.131
  speaker: unknown
  en: James White, this is a little bit dated now, in his book, Protestant Worship, identifies nine major liturgical traditions within Protestantism.
  zh: 詹姆斯·怀特在他的书《新教敬拜》中，列出了新教内部的九大主要礼仪传统，这本书现在有点过时了。
- start: 103.492
  end: 114.106
  speaker: unknown
  en: You have Reformed, Lutheran, Anabaptist, Anglican, what he called Separated or Puritan, Quaker worship, Methodist, and then what he calls Frontier.
  zh: 有改革宗、路德宗、再洗礼派、英国圣公会、他称之为分离派或清教徒、贵格会敬拜、循道宗，以及他称之为边疆派的。
- start: 114.106
  end: 119.028
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, imagine the American frontier in the 19th century, and then Pentecostal.
  zh: 想象一下19世纪的美国边疆，然后是五旬节派。
- start: 119.028
  end: 125.772
  speaker: unknown
  en: And a lot of what we think of today is worship, depending on where you're from, might be from one of these particular traditions.
  zh: 我们今天所认为的许多敬拜形式，取决于你来自哪里，可能来自这些特定的传统之一。
- start: 125.772
  end: 128.693
  speaker: unknown
  en: I remember giving a talk in Wisconsin.
  zh: 我记得在威斯康星州做过一次演讲。
- start: 128.913
  end: 132.357
  speaker: unknown
  en: And two of the guys I was talking with were former Protestants.
  zh: 我交谈的两个人曾是新教徒。
- start: 132.357
  end: 139.534
  speaker: unknown
  en: And their understanding of Protestantism was very much Lutheran, because the people around them in Wisconsin were Lutheran.
  zh: 他们对新教的理解非常路德宗，因为他们在威斯康星州周围的人都是路德宗。
- start: 139.534
  end: 145.978
  speaker: unknown
  en: Whereas, where I live in Kansas, it's much more likely to be Baptist, where there's a large number of Reformed.
  zh: 而在我住的堪萨斯州，更可能是浸信会，有大量的改革宗。
- start: 146.058
  end: 153.383
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's going to impact what the theology is, it's going to impact what the worship is, and the styles of prayer, and what a Sunday liturgy looks like.
  zh: 这将影响神学，影响敬拜，影响祷告的风格，以及周日礼仪的样子。
- start: 153.383
  end: 164.19
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, if you have something like Hillsong, where it looks like a rock concert, that's a modern twist on a Pentecostal thing that emphasizes the centrality of experience.
  zh: 所以，如果你有像Hillsong那样的东西，看起来像摇滚音乐会，那是五旬节派的现代变体，强调体验的中心性。
- start: 164.75
  end: 167.051
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm not actually going to talk about that kind today.
  zh: 今天我实际上不会谈论那种形式。
- start: 167.051
  end: 183.441
  speaker: unknown
  en: I want to talk more about, this is more the Reformed tradition, a lot of Baptists, where it's the centrality of preaching, where at the heart of this is the idea of someone who's going to be reading scripture, and then spending a long time talking about scripture.
  zh: 我想更多地谈论改革宗传统，很多浸信会，那里讲道是中心，核心是有人会读经，然后花很长时间讲解经文。
- start: 183.441
  end: 187.142
  speaker: unknown
  en: And it might be bookended by some opening and closing prayers.
  zh: 可能会有一些开头和结尾的祷告。
- start: 187.143
  end: 191.545
  speaker: unknown
  en: But the focus really is on the preacher in the pulpit.
  zh: 但真正的重点是讲坛上的传道人。
- start: 192.097
  end: 199.26
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, before we get into why that's not worship, it's maybe important to say, okay, we got these nine different styles of Protestant worship.
  zh: 所以，在我们讨论为什么那不是敬拜之前，也许有必要说，我们有这九种不同的新教敬拜风格。
- start: 199.26
  end: 201.28
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that book, again, it's a little outdated.
  zh: 那本书，现在有点过时了。
- start: 201.38
  end: 205.342
  speaker: unknown
  en: If you were to do it today, I think you'd find more than nine different major styles.
  zh: 如果你今天去做，我认为你会发现不止九种主要风格。
- start: 205.342
  end: 206.382
  speaker: unknown
  en: Does it matter?
  zh: 这重要吗？
- start: 206.382
  end: 208.603
  speaker: unknown
  en: Should we care about the form of worship?
  zh: 我们应该关心敬拜的形式吗？
- start: 208.603
  end: 211.764
  speaker: unknown
  en: Or is it just, well, whatever's good for you is good for me?
  zh: 还是说，只要对你有好处，对我也有好处？
- start: 212.233
  end: 216.214
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the answer to that is scripture seems to suggest it matters quite a bit.
  zh: 对此的回答是，圣经似乎表明这非常重要。
- start: 216.534
  end: 218.455
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I would look to a couple places.
  zh: 我会看几个地方。
- start: 218.455
  end: 229.798
  speaker: unknown
  en: The first would be the two sons of Aaron, mentioned in Leviticus 10, Nadab and Abihu, who try to offer their own form of worship.
  zh: 第一个是利未记第十章中提到的亚伦的两个儿子，拿答和亚比户，他们试图献上自己的敬拜形式。
- start: 230.719
  end: 238.184
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in the words of Leviticus 10, they offer God unholy fire, such as He had not commanded them.
  zh: 在利未记第十章中，他们向神献上未经吩咐的凡火。
- start: 236.643
  end: 239.785
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, notice, they're not worshiping a false God.
  zh: 请注意，他们不是在敬拜假神。
- start: 239.785
  end: 241.946
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're giving false worship to the true God.
  zh: 他们向真神献上错误的敬拜。
- start: 241.946
  end: 244.227
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're liturgically innovating.
  zh: 他们在礼仪上创新。
- start: 244.227
  end: 245.107
  speaker: unknown
  en: And what happens?
  zh: 结果如何？
- start: 245.107
  end: 249.989
  speaker: unknown
  en: Fire comes forth from the presence of the Lord and devours them, and they die before the Lord.
  zh: 有火从耶和华面前出来，把他们烧灭，他们就死在耶和华面前。
- start: 250.75
  end: 257.973
  speaker: unknown
  en: And Moses says to Aaron, their father, this is what the Lord has said, I will show myself holy among those who are near me.
  zh: 摩西对他们的父亲亚伦说，这是耶和华所说的，我在亲近我的人中要显为圣。
- start: 257.973
  end: 261.054
  speaker: unknown
  en: And before all the people, I will be glorified.
  zh: 在众民面前，我要得荣耀。
- start: 261.543
  end: 270.809
  speaker: unknown
  en: That the glory of God, the holiness of God, the majesty of God means we don't just approach Him however we happen to want and call that worship.
  zh: 神的荣耀、神的圣洁、神的威严意味着我们不能随意接近祂并称之为敬拜。
- start: 271.793
  end: 277.378
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, that strikes me as a pretty clear signal, God does care how He's worshiped.
  zh: 所以，这对我来说是一个非常明确的信号，神确实关心祂被如何敬拜。
- start: 277.378
  end: 283.583
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, strangely, some people have the view that God cared in the Old Testament how He was worshiped and doesn't care anymore.
  zh: 现在，奇怪的是，有些人认为神在旧约中关心祂被如何敬拜，而现在不再关心了。
- start: 283.583
  end: 290.588
  speaker: unknown
  en: That now, because there's no strict form of worship given in the New Testament, that therefore we're open to do whatever.
  zh: 现在，因为新约中没有给出严格的敬拜形式，所以我们可以随意而为。
- start: 290.588
  end: 298.975
  speaker: unknown
  en: That the same God who cared a lot about how the sons of Aaron were worshiping Him wrongly, now is fine with us worshiping Him however we want.
  zh: 同一位神曾非常关心亚伦的儿子们错误地敬拜祂，现在却对我们随意敬拜祂无所谓。
- start: 299.324
  end: 307.153
  speaker: unknown
  en: And to this, I would just say Hebrews 9 says, no, even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly sanctuary.
  zh: 对此，我只想说，希伯来书第九章说，不，连第一个约都有敬拜的规条和属地的圣所。
- start: 307.153
  end: 309.275
  speaker: unknown
  en: And think about that language, even.
  zh: 想想这个词语，连。
- start: 309.356
  end: 320.288
  speaker: unknown
  en: A lot of what Hebrews is doing is showing how things in the Old Covenant prefigure things in the New Covenant, which in turn prefigure even greater things in the heavenly liturgy.
  zh: 希伯来书的很多内容在展示旧约中的事物如何预表新约中的事物，而新约中的事物又预表天上的礼仪中更伟大的事物。
- start: 320.508
  end: 326.555
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, we know the Old Covenant had earthly regulations for worship, for an earthly sanctuary.
  zh: 所以，我们知道旧约有属地的敬拜规条和属地的圣所。
- start: 326.555
  end: 329.838
  speaker: unknown
  en: We know the heavenly liturgy has regulations for worship.
  zh: 我们知道天上的礼仪有敬拜的规条。
- start: 329.838
  end: 332.741
  speaker: unknown
  en: And there's a beautiful liturgy in the heavenly liturgy.
  zh: 天上的礼仪中有美丽的礼仪。
- start: 332.741
  end: 336.104
  speaker: unknown
  en: There's a beautiful liturgy in the temple and in the Old Covenant.
  zh: 在圣殿和旧约中也有美丽的礼仪。
- start: 336.104
  end: 356.193
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we're to believe that the same God who's the author of the Old Covenant, which is a foreshadowing of the New Covenant, and the New Covenant's a foreshadowing of the heavenly liturgy, we're to believe He cares about the Old Covenant, cares about the New Covenant, and doesn't care, excuse me, the Old Covenant and the heavenly liturgy and doesn't care about the New Covenant in between, it doesn't really make sense.
  zh: 我们要相信，同一位神是旧约的作者，旧约预表新约，新约预表天上的礼仪，我们要相信祂关心旧约，关心新约，却不关心新约之间的礼仪，这真的说不通。
- start: 356.193
  end: 374.183
  speaker: unknown
  en: The language of even the First Covenant makes it clear that the author of Hebrews takes for granted the New Covenant worship has regulations, that there's an earthly sanctuary, as with the Old Covenant, and that there's a way of worshiping God and spirit and truth that he really does care about.
  zh: 连第一个约的语言都表明，希伯来书的作者认为新约的敬拜有规条，有属地的圣所，就像旧约一样，并且有一种用心灵和诚实敬拜神的方式，祂真的关心。
- start: 374.183
  end: 379.064
  speaker: unknown
  en: Notice that language of worshiping in spirit and truth, the truth there matters.
  zh: 注意用心灵和诚实敬拜的语言，那里诚实很重要。
- start: 379.064
  end: 381.604
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's not liturgical relativism.
  zh: 这不是礼仪相对主义。
- start: 381.644
  end: 386.025
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, in other words, you can't just say, this is what makes me feel close to God.
  zh: 换句话说，你不能只是说，这让我感到接近神。
- start: 386.025
  end: 387.906
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is how I like to worship.
  zh: 这是我喜欢的敬拜方式。
- start: 387.906
  end: 390.966
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because in all of those things, who's the center of worship?
  zh: 因为在所有这些事情中，谁是敬拜的中心？
- start: 390.966
  end: 393.727
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's no longer God, it's now you and your preferences.
  zh: 不再是神，而是你和你的偏好。
- start: 393.727
  end: 396.267
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, that would be the first thing I think we need to make clear.
  zh: 所以，我认为我们需要首先澄清这一点。
- start: 396.437
  end: 402.461
  speaker: unknown
  en: Whatever the right way to worship God is, there is such a thing as a right way to worship God.
  zh: 无论正确的敬拜神的方式是什么，确实存在一种正确的敬拜神的方式。
- start: 402.562
  end: 408.306
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, with that in mind, why do I say that so much Protestant worship isn't worship?
  zh: 现在，考虑到这一点，为什么我说很多新教的敬拜不是敬拜？
- start: 408.306
  end: 410.067
  speaker: unknown
  en: And again, I'm not taking the low-hanging fruit.
  zh: 再说一次，我不是在挑软柿子捏。
- start: 410.067
  end: 412.809
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm not saying the rock concerts are just rock concerts.
  zh: 我不是说摇滚音乐会只是摇滚音乐会。
- start: 412.99
  end: 418.934
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm actually saying you've got the people who are trying to preach Jesus Christ for an hour.
  zh: 我实际上是在说，有些人试图讲一个小时的耶稣基督。
- start: 419.655
  end: 420.595
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's great.
  zh: 那很好。
- start: 420.595
  end: 421.836
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's not worship.
  zh: 但那不是敬拜。
- start: 421.994
  end: 423.814
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'll give you an example, some concrete examples.
  zh: 我给你举个例子，一些具体的例子。
- start: 423.814
  end: 427.855
  speaker: unknown
  en: O.S. Hawkins, who is a well-known Baptist, has a whole series of books.
  zh: O.S.霍金斯是一位著名的浸信会牧师，他有一整套书。
- start: 427.855
  end: 434.057
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in one of them, he talks about how it's been his privilege as a pastor to be what he calls God's under-shepherd.
  zh: 在其中一本书中，他谈到作为牧师，能成为他所谓的神的副牧者是他的荣幸。
- start: 434.057
  end: 444.219
  speaker: unknown
  en: Four different churches, including most recently at the time that he wrote this, one of, if not the most, influential 20th century pulpits in the Western world.
  zh: 四个不同的教会，包括他写这本书时最近的一个，如果不是最有影响力的，也是20世纪西方世界最有影响力的讲坛之一。
- start: 444.219
  end: 445.659
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's his language, right?
  zh: 这是他的话，对吧？
- start: 446.221
  end: 452.365
  speaker: unknown
  en: That pulpit, he says, like most pulpits in Baptist life, stands in the middle of the building on center stage, so to speak.
  zh: 他说，那讲坛就像浸信会生活中的大多数讲坛一样，位于建筑物的中央舞台上。
- start: 452.386
  end: 454.647
  speaker: unknown
  en: Notice, this is not an accidental thing.
  zh: 请注意，这不是偶然的事情。
- start: 454.667
  end: 461.712
  speaker: unknown
  en: Is the center of your church a pulpit where a man is preaching or an altar where Christ is being offered to the Father?
  zh: 你教会的中心是一个人讲道的讲坛，还是基督被献给圣父的祭坛？
- start: 462.113
  end: 465.035
  speaker: unknown
  en: And O.S. Hawkins is saying it's a pulpit where he can preach.
  zh: O.S.霍金斯说那是一个他可以讲道的讲坛。
- start: 465.095
  end: 466.216
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this is intentional.
  zh: 这是有意为之的。
- start: 466.216
  end: 473.361
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says it is there to make a statement that central to Baptist worship is the preaching of the book of God to the people of God.
  zh: 他说，这样做是为了表明浸信会敬拜的中心是向神的子民传讲神的书。
- start: 474.261
  end: 478.566
  speaker: unknown
  en: Proclamation, the preaching of the gospel should be central to Christian worship.
  zh: 宣讲福音的传道应该是基督教敬拜的中心。
- start: 478.566
  end: 482.33
  speaker: unknown
  en: The sermon is the central dynamic in the worship experience.
  zh: 讲道是敬拜体验中的核心动力。
- start: 483.032
  end: 486.653
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is the fulcrum upon which the entire service of worship hinges.
  zh: 它是整个敬拜服务的支点。
- start: 486.653
  end: 491.995
  speaker: unknown
  en: Everything that comes before it should point to it, and everything that comes after it should issue out of it.
  zh: 之前的一切都应该指向它，之后的一切都应该从它发出。
- start: 492.075
  end: 497.456
  speaker: unknown
  en: So notice, in the Catholic model, the Eucharist is described as the source and summit of the Christian life.
  zh: 所以请注意，在公教会的模式中，圣餐被描述为基督徒生活的源头和顶峰。
- start: 497.456
  end: 501.377
  speaker: unknown
  en: The Eucharistic sacrifice, everything is leading to it, everything is flowing from it.
  zh: 圣餐的祭献，一切都指向它，一切都从它流出。
- start: 501.438
  end: 504.679
  speaker: unknown
  en: O.S. Hawkins says, yeah, for us as Baptists, it's me preaching.
  zh: O.S.霍金斯说，是的，对我们浸信会来说，是我在讲道。
- start: 504.679
  end: 505.959
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's the difference.
  zh: 这就是区别。
- start: 506.559
  end: 509.76
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the issue here, again, is not that preaching is bad.
  zh: 这里的问题再次不是讲道不好。
- start: 510.361
  end: 511.842
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's that preaching isn't worship.
  zh: 而是讲道不是敬拜。
- start: 511.842
  end: 517.809
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're going to make a threefold distinction between what the Bible calls teaching, what it calls prayer, and what it calls worship.
  zh: 我们将对圣经所称的教导、祷告和敬拜做出三重区分。
- start: 518.331
  end: 523.336
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so a lot of what Protestants get right is teaching and prayer.
  zh: 所以新教徒做对的很多是教导和祷告。
- start: 523.437
  end: 525.96
  speaker: unknown
  en: What they're missing is worshiping God.
  zh: 他们缺少的是敬拜神。
- start: 526.576
  end: 529.778
  speaker: unknown
  en: So let's unpack what each of those three things are biblically.
  zh: 所以让我们从圣经的角度来解析这三样东西。
- start: 529.819
  end: 530.799
  speaker: unknown
  en: First, teaching.
  zh: 首先是教导。
- start: 530.799
  end: 538.225
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, what the Bible calls teaching includes things like preaching, it includes Bible studies, it includes a kind of a broad category of things.
  zh: 圣经所称的教导包括讲道、查经等广泛的类别。
- start: 538.225
  end: 543.349
  speaker: unknown
  en: In general, when we go and we talk about God, that's in the realm of teaching.
  zh: 一般来说，当我们去谈论神时，那是在教导的范畴内。
- start: 544.011
  end: 551.875
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, many Protestants would say, like Hawkins did a second ago, that this is the center of Protestant worship.
  zh: 现在，许多新教徒会像霍金斯刚才所说的那样，说这是新教敬拜的中心。
- start: 551.935
  end: 558.437
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so Barry Leash says in his book, People in the Presence of God, Models and Directions for Worship, that to this day, Protestant worship is indebted to synagogues' emphasis on prayer, scripture reading, teaching, lay involvement, and elder rule.
  zh: 所以巴里·利什在他的书《神面前的人：敬拜的模式和方向》中说，直到今天，新教敬拜仍受益于会堂对祷告、读经、教导、平信徒参与和长老治理的重视。
- start: 558.437
  end: 560.658
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, this is, in fairness, an interesting argument, right?
  zh: 现在，公平地说，这是一个有趣的论点，对吧？
- start: 560.658
  end: 568.84
  speaker: unknown
  en: That a lot of what we see on a Sunday in a more traditional Protestant church is going to sound a lot like what you might have seen in a first century synagogue.
  zh: 我们在一个更传统的新教教会里周日所看到的很多东西，会很像你在一世纪的会堂里看到的。
- start: 579.156
  end: 596.562
  speaker: unknown
  en: So for instance, in Acts 13, St. Paul and his companions go in on the Sabbath to the synagogue, and we're told, after the reading of the law and the prophets, so those are the first two of the three sections of the Old Testament, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them saying, Brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say it.
  zh: 例如，在使徒行传第十三章，圣保罗和他的同伴在安息日进入会堂，我们被告知，在读完律法和先知书之后，也就是旧约的前三部分中的两部分，会堂的主管们对他们说，弟兄们，如果你们有劝勉的话，请说。
- start: 596.562
  end: 599.663
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, of course, Paul stands up and starts to preach.
  zh: 于是，保罗站起来开始讲道。
- start: 599.783
  end: 603.724
  speaker: unknown
  en: So you've got the proclamation of scripture, and you've got preaching, all well and good.
  zh: 所以你有了经文的宣讲和讲道，一切都很好。
- start: 604.236
  end: 605.637
  speaker: unknown
  en: Jesus does the same thing.
  zh: 耶稣也做了同样的事。
- start: 605.637
  end: 611.999
  speaker: unknown
  en: We see him going into Nazareth, and we're told, as was his custom, every Sabbath he would go into the synagogue.
  zh: 我们看到祂进入拿撒勒，据说，按照祂的习惯，每个安息日祂都会进入会堂。
- start: 612.359
  end: 615.28
  speaker: unknown
  en: And there he's given the scroll of Isaiah.
  zh: 在那里，祂被交给以赛亚书的卷轴。
- start: 616.061
  end: 621.242
  speaker: unknown
  en: He finds the part about the spirit of the Lord being upon him, and he announces that it's been proclaimed.
  zh: 祂找到关于主的灵在祂身上的部分，并宣布这已经应验。
- start: 621.242
  end: 625.624
  speaker: unknown
  en: So once again, you've got the proclamation of scripture, and then you've got preaching.
  zh: 所以，再一次，你有了经文的宣讲，然后是讲道。
- start: 626.043
  end: 627.604
  speaker: unknown
  en: All of this is well and good.
  zh: 这一切都很好。
- start: 627.684
  end: 630.346
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm not quibbling with any of this.
  zh: 我对这些没有任何争议。
- start: 630.626
  end: 634.409
  speaker: unknown
  en: What I'm saying is none of this is worship.
  zh: 我所说的是，这些都不是敬拜。
- start: 634.569
  end: 642.234
  speaker: unknown
  en: In fact, in John 6, after Jesus gives the bread of life discourse, we're even told this he said in the synagogue as he taught at Capernaum.
  zh: 事实上，在约翰福音第六章中，耶稣讲完生命之粮的教导后，我们被告知祂是在迦百农的会堂里教导时说的这些话。
- start: 642.815
  end: 643.876
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is a subtle detail.
  zh: 这是一个微妙的细节。
- start: 643.876
  end: 645.676
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is very easy to miss.
  zh: 这很容易被忽略。
- start: 645.877
  end: 653.622
  speaker: unknown
  en: But of all of the mentions of Jesus or the apostles in the synagogue, they're never described as going in there to worship God.
  zh: 但在所有提到耶稣或使徒在会堂中的场景中，他们从未被描述为去那里敬拜神。
- start: 653.826
  end: 656.267
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're never described as going in there to pray.
  zh: 他们从未被描述为去那里祷告。
- start: 656.828
  end: 658.329
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're going in there to teach.
  zh: 他们去那里是为了教导。
- start: 658.329
  end: 662.892
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're going in there to encounter people, to proclaim the good news.
  zh: 他们去那里是为了遇见人，宣讲福音。
- start: 663.052
  end: 664.353
  speaker: unknown
  en: But those are different things.
  zh: 但这些是不同的事情。
- start: 664.353
  end: 669.696
  speaker: unknown
  en: So to understand that, we have to look at the second concept of the three, prayer.
  zh: 所以要理解这一点，我们必须看这三者中的第二个概念，祷告。
- start: 670.137
  end: 676.681
  speaker: unknown
  en: And here, I just point out that it's not just that the New Testament doesn't talk about the synagogue as a place of prayer.
  zh: 在这里，我只想指出，不仅仅是新约没有把会堂描述为祷告的地方。
- start: 676.681
  end: 681.284
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's that first century synagogues didn't understand themselves to be places of prayer.
  zh: 而是一世纪的会堂并不认为自己是祷告的地方。
- start: 681.377
  end: 695.482
  speaker: unknown
  en: Though there's a pretty famous synagogue inscription that we've found, where it describes how they built the synagogue for reading the law and studying the commandments, and as a hostel with chambers and water installations to provide for the needs of itinerants from abroad.
  zh: 虽然我们发现了一块相当著名的会堂铭文，上面描述了他们如何建造会堂用于读律法和学习诫命，并作为一个带有房间和水设施的旅馆，以满足来自国外的流动人员的需求。
- start: 695.623
  end: 701.684
  speaker: unknown
  en: So if you're familiar with the layout of a lot of Catholic churches, and there's some Protestant churches that are set up this way as well.
  zh: 所以，如果你熟悉很多公教会的布局，有些新教教会也是这样设置的。
- start: 701.684
  end: 704.945
  speaker: unknown
  en: You've got the sanctuary, and then you have a fellowship hall.
  zh: 你有圣所，然后你有一个团契厅。
- start: 704.945
  end: 712.307
  speaker: unknown
  en: You've got some place where people gather together, you give talks, or you have Bible studies, or you have coffee and donuts, or you have whatever else.
  zh: 你有一个人们聚集在一起的地方，你可以在那里演讲，或者查经，或者喝咖啡吃甜甜圈，或者做其他事情。
- start: 712.307
  end: 717.408
  speaker: unknown
  en: So it's a place for Christian fellowship, a place for gathering and study, and all of those things.
  zh: 所以这是一个基督徒团契的地方，一个聚会和学习的地方，以及所有这些事情的地方。
- start: 717.808
  end: 722.209
  speaker: unknown
  en: But it's a place that's distinct from the place for prayer and worship.
  zh: 但这是一个与祷告和敬拜的地方不同的地方。
- start: 722.782
  end: 726.284
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's how this synagogue understands itself, is something like a fellowship hall.
  zh: 这就是这个会堂对自己的理解，就像一个团契厅。
- start: 726.284
  end: 728.245
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is a place where travelers can stay.
  zh: 这是一个旅客可以停留的地方。
- start: 728.245
  end: 731.106
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's a place where you can read the Torah, you can talk about it.
  zh: 这是一个你可以读托拉，可以讨论的地方。
- start: 731.986
  end: 733.967
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's not just my take.
  zh: 这不仅仅是我的看法。
- start: 733.967
  end: 737.849
  speaker: unknown
  en: Rabbi Reuven Hammer, in his book, Entering Jewish Prayer, talks about this.
  zh: 拉比鲁文·哈默在他的书《进入犹太祷告》中谈到了这一点。
- start: 737.849
  end: 741.25
  speaker: unknown
  en: He points out, he's looking at this inscription, he says, there's no mention of prayer.
  zh: 他指出，他在看这块铭文时说，没有提到祷告。
- start: 742.711
  end: 746.753
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he admits, you know, this is an argument from silence, it's never gonna be absolute.
  zh: 他承认，这是一种从沉默中得出的论点，永远不会是绝对的。
- start: 746.753
  end: 751.559
  speaker: unknown
  en: Nevertheless, he said, the evidence is overwhelming that synagogues in the time prior to the destruction of the second temple, so the second temple was destroyed in 70, so during the lifetime of Jesus and before, synagogues at this time were primarily places for the dissemination of knowledge of the Torah on a popular level, and that whatever prayer took place there was either connected to study or secondary to it.
  zh: 尽管如此，他说，证据压倒性地表明，在第二圣殿被毁之前的会堂，第二圣殿在公元70年被毁，所以在耶稣的生平期间及之前，这段时间的会堂主要是传播托拉知识的地方，任何在那里的祷告都与学习有关或次于学习。
- start: 751.559
  end: 753.381
  speaker: unknown
  en: But then he says, after the year 70, the situation changes drastically.
  zh: 但他说，在公元70年之后，情况发生了巨大变化。
- start: 753.381
  end: 754.882
  speaker: unknown
  en: So in the year 70, the Romans destroy the temple.
  zh: 在公元70年，罗马人摧毁了圣殿。
- start: 754.882
  end: 759.965
  speaker: unknown
  en: As we're gonna see, the temple is the privileged place for both prayer and the exclusive place for worship.
  zh: 正如我们将看到的，圣殿是祷告的特权之地，也是敬拜的唯一之地。
- start: 782.575
  end: 789.899
  speaker: unknown
  en: And when that's destroyed in 70, the synagogue picks up a lot of the slacks, we'll say, that prayer and worship move into the synagogue.
  zh: 当圣殿在公元70年被毁时，会堂承担了很多责任，我们可以说，祷告和敬拜移到了会堂。
- start: 789.899
  end: 796.622
  speaker: unknown
  en: But at the time of Jesus, what you have going on in the synagogue isn't prayer and isn't worship.
  zh: 但在耶稣的时代，会堂里进行的不是祷告，也不是敬拜。
- start: 797.023
  end: 800.625
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's really a vitally important point.
  zh: 这是一个非常重要的观点。
- start: 800.925
  end: 812.331
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because if your notion of worship and prayer is modeled off of the synagogue, and the synagogue isn't doing prayer and worship, you're missing something really crucial, right?
  zh: 因为如果你的敬拜和祷告的概念是以会堂为模型，而会堂并没有进行祷告和敬拜，那么你就错过了一些非常关键的东西，对吧？
- start: 813.466
  end: 820.848
  speaker: unknown
  en: James MacKinnon has a series of articles that kind of deal with this, and he makes this really striking point.
  zh: 詹姆斯·麦金农有一系列文章处理这个问题，他提出了一个非常引人注目的观点。
- start: 821.389
  end: 828.771
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says, in the New Testament, the synagogue appears as a proper venue for judicial and penal activities, but not for prayer.
  zh: 他说，在新约中，会堂出现为司法和刑罚活动的适当场所，但不是祷告的地方。
- start: 829.691
  end: 834.993
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he gives a lot of biblical examples, because the synagogues mentioned a lot, prayers mentioned a lot.
  zh: 他给出了很多圣经的例子，因为会堂被多次提到，祷告也被多次提到。
- start: 835.06
  end: 839.021
  speaker: unknown
  en: There's only gonna be one time where they're both mentioned together, and it's really striking.
  zh: 只有一次它们被一起提到，这非常引人注目。
- start: 839.061
  end: 844.003
  speaker: unknown
  en: So Jesus warns his disciples, they'll deliver you up to councils and flog you in their synagogue.
  zh: 耶稣警告祂的门徒，他们会把你们交给公会，并在他们的会堂里鞭打你们。
- start: 844.003
  end: 847.083
  speaker: unknown
  en: So notice the synagogue there is like a gathering place.
  zh: 所以请注意，会堂在那里就像一个聚集的地方。
- start: 847.764
  end: 850.584
  speaker: unknown
  en: Paul talks about his pre-conversion activities.
  zh: 保罗谈到他归信前的活动。
- start: 850.965
  end: 855.126
  speaker: unknown
  en: Lord, they themselves know that in every synagogue, I imprisoned and beat those who believed in me.
  zh: 主啊，他们自己知道，在每个会堂里，我监禁并鞭打那些信我的人。
- start: 855.126
  end: 857.486
  speaker: unknown
  en: So again, this doesn't sound like a church, right?
  zh: 所以，再次，这听起来不像教会，对吧？
- start: 857.486
  end: 859.607
  speaker: unknown
  en: That doesn't sound like a temple.
  zh: 这听起来不像圣殿。
- start: 859.747
  end: 863.608
  speaker: unknown
  en: This sounds much more like a common space where people gather together.
  zh: 这听起来更像是一个人们聚集在一起的公共空间。
- start: 863.98
  end: 866.302
  speaker: unknown
  en: As for prayer, listen to the words of Jesus.
  zh: 至于祷告，听听耶稣的话。
- start: 866.302
  end: 872.127
  speaker: unknown
  en: When you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at street corners.
  zh: 你们祷告的时候，不可像假冒为善的人，爱站在会堂里和十字路口祷告。
- start: 872.127
  end: 873.668
  speaker: unknown
  en: They may be seen by men.
  zh: 他们是为了被人看见。
- start: 873.668
  end: 880.053
  speaker: unknown
  en: So notice the only time Jesus talks about praying in the synagogue is he's telling Christians not to pray in the synagogue.
  zh: 所以请注意，耶稣唯一一次谈到在会堂里祷告时，祂是在告诉基督徒不要在会堂里祷告。
- start: 880.814
  end: 883.536
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, notice he doesn't say, don't go in the synagogue.
  zh: 现在，请注意，祂没有说不要进入会堂。
- start: 883.536
  end: 890.192
  speaker: unknown
  en: He goes in the synagogue all the time, but he's not telling them to pray in the synagogue or the street corners.
  zh: 祂一直进入会堂，但祂没有告诉他们在会堂或十字路口祷告。
- start: 890.192
  end: 899.397
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, notice even in that framing, he's treating the synagogue as something like a street corner, not a place of prayer, but a gathering place, a place to be seen in public.
  zh: 现在，请注意，即使在那种框架下，祂也把会堂当作类似于街角的地方，不是祷告的地方，而是一个聚集的地方，一个在公众面前被看见的地方。
- start: 899.817
  end: 902.379
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's not saying synagogues are inherently bad places.
  zh: 祂不是说会堂本质上是坏地方。
- start: 902.379
  end: 911.304
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's saying hypocrites go out there to pray, not because the house of prayer, because it's the likely place they're going to be seen by their peers and seen as really spiritual holy people.
  zh: 祂是说假冒为善的人去那里祷告，不是因为那里是祷告的地方，而是因为那里是他们可能被同伴看见并被视为真正属灵圣洁之人的地方。
- start: 913.252
  end: 915.793
  speaker: unknown
  en: So where should we pray?
  zh: 那么，我们应该在哪里祷告呢？
- start: 915.793
  end: 923.756
  speaker: unknown
  en: Jesus gives the model in Mark 1. He goes off to a lonely place by himself in the morning, and there he prayed.
  zh: 耶稣在马可福音第一章中给出了榜样。祂早晨独自去到一个寂静的地方，在那里祷告。
- start: 924.576
  end: 927.277
  speaker: unknown
  en: He gives the example, as we saw in Matthew 6, of going to the upper room.
  zh: 祂在马太福音第六章中给出了去楼上的例子。
- start: 927.277
  end: 928.417
  speaker: unknown
  en: We'll get back to that.
  zh: 我们会回到这一点。
- start: 928.537
  end: 936.6
  speaker: unknown
  en: Acts 21, Paul and his companions, before they leave, they kneel down on the beach and they pray, and they bid one another farewell.
  zh: 使徒行传第21章，保罗和他的同伴们在离开前，跪在海滩上祷告，并互相告别。
- start: 936.6
  end: 938.181
  speaker: unknown
  en: So you pray wherever.
  zh: 所以你可以在任何地方祷告。
- start: 938.181
  end: 940.842
  speaker: unknown
  en: Prayer is not tied to a particular location.
  zh: 祷告并不局限于特定的地点。
- start: 940.842
  end: 948.708
  speaker: unknown
  en: There's sometimes this myth that until the death of Jesus, people had to go to the temple to pray, and that Jesus' death changes all of that.
  zh: 有时有一种误解，认为在耶稣死之前，人们必须去圣殿祷告，而耶稣的死改变了这一切。
- start: 948.708
  end: 949.808
  speaker: unknown
  en: That is a myth.
  zh: 那是一个误解。
- start: 950.148
  end: 953.891
  speaker: unknown
  en: Remember the Pharisees were praying on the street corners in the synagogues.
  zh: 记住，法利赛人在会堂的街角祷告。
- start: 953.891
  end: 956.392
  speaker: unknown
  en: You clearly did not have to go to Jerusalem to pray.
  zh: 显然，你不必去耶路撒冷祷告。
- start: 956.952
  end: 959.054
  speaker: unknown
  en: But prayer is something done all over the place.
  zh: 但祷告是在各处进行的。
- start: 959.054
  end: 962.516
  speaker: unknown
  en: It wasn't something that you had to go to the synagogue anymore than you had to go to the temple.
  zh: 你不必去会堂祷告，就像你不必去圣殿祷告一样。
- start: 963.036
  end: 975.181
  speaker: unknown
  en: So let's turn back to that passage, as I promised, in Matthew 6, that Jesus says, when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and the street corners that they may be seen by men.
  zh: 所以让我们回到马太福音第六章中耶稣所说的那段经文，祂说，你们祷告的时候，不可像假冒为善的人，爱站在会堂里和十字路口祷告，为要被人看见。
- start: 975.181
  end: 976.582
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's the critical part.
  zh: 这是关键部分。
- start: 976.823
  end: 981.766
  speaker: unknown
  en: The reason they're going into the synagogue is that they may be seen by men, not because this is a place of prayer.
  zh: 他们进入会堂的原因是为了被人看见，而不是因为这是一个祷告的地方。
- start: 982.167
  end: 983.008
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's like the street corner.
  zh: 这就像街角。
- start: 983.008
  end: 985.85
  speaker: unknown
  en: No one is going to say the street corner is the privileged place for prayer.
  zh: 没有人会说街角是祷告的特权之地。
- start: 985.85
  end: 988.251
  speaker: unknown
  en: So why are the Pharisees praying on the street corner?
  zh: 那么，为什么法利赛人在街角祷告呢？
- start: 988.312
  end: 989.953
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because they want to be seen by others.
  zh: 因为他们想被别人看见。
- start: 991.825
  end: 994.806
  speaker: unknown
  en: Then he says, truly, truly, I tell you, they have their reward.
  zh: 然后祂说，我实在告诉你们，他们已经得了他们的赏赐。
- start: 991.825
  end: 994.806
  speaker: unknown
  en: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your father who is in secret.
  zh: 但你祷告的时候，要进你的内室，关上门，祷告你在暗中的父。
- start: 991.825
  end: 1004.029
  speaker: unknown
  en: So that's the contrast between public places and secret places, not actually between the synagogue as a place of prayer or not.
  zh: 所以这是公共场所和隐秘场所之间的对比，而不是会堂是否是祷告的地方。
- start: 1004.029
  end: 1010.571
  speaker: unknown
  en: So notice that in all of this, the synagogue does not appear as a place of worship or as prayer.
  zh: 所以请注意，在这一切中，会堂并没有作为敬拜或祷告的地方出现。
- start: 1012.752
  end: 1015.513
  speaker: unknown
  en: So that leads to the third of the three things, which is worship.
  zh: 这就引出了三者中的第三个，即敬拜。
- start: 1016.323
  end: 1021.23
  speaker: unknown
  en: So if you've got teaching and you've got prayer, what's worship and where does it happen?
  zh: 所以，如果你有教导和祷告，那么敬拜是什么，它在哪里发生？
- start: 1021.23
  end: 1025.196
  speaker: unknown
  en: Before we even get into how do we define it, where does it take place?
  zh: 在我们讨论如何定义它之前，它在哪里发生？
- start: 1025.196
  end: 1030.283
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because this is going to be our first clue that it's something different than teaching and something different than prayer.
  zh: 因为这是我们第一个线索，表明它不同于教导，也不同于祷告。
- start: 1030.888
  end: 1033.49
  speaker: unknown
  en: In John 4, we see this, I think, most clearly.
  zh: 在约翰福音第四章中，我认为我们最清楚地看到了这一点。
- start: 1033.87
  end: 1040.115
  speaker: unknown
  en: Jesus is at Shechem on the mountain, which is Mount Gerizim, which is the holy mountain for Samaritans.
  zh: 耶稣在示剑的山上，那是基利心山，是撒玛利亚人的圣山。
- start: 1040.115
  end: 1042.676
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he encounters a Samaritan woman there at the well.
  zh: 祂在那里遇到了一位在井边的撒玛利亚妇人。
- start: 1042.817
  end: 1045.379
  speaker: unknown
  en: And she tells him, our fathers worshipped on this mountain.
  zh: 她对祂说，我们的祖宗在这山上敬拜。
- start: 1045.379
  end: 1048.721
  speaker: unknown
  en: And you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
  zh: 你们倒说，应当在耶路撒冷敬拜。
- start: 1048.961
  end: 1051.583
  speaker: unknown
  en: So notice you can pray anywhere, but you can worship in one place.
  zh: 所以请注意，你可以在任何地方祷告，但你只能在一个地方敬拜。
- start: 1051.583
  end: 1054.125
  speaker: unknown
  en: If you're a Samaritan, that one place is Mount Gerizim.
  zh: 如果你是撒玛利亚人，那一个地方是基利心山。
- start: 1054.125
  end: 1057.027
  speaker: unknown
  en: If you're a Jew, that one place is the temple in Jerusalem.
  zh: 如果你是犹太人，那一个地方是耶路撒冷的圣殿。
- start: 1057.067
  end: 1059.709
  speaker: unknown
  en: Jesus doesn't disagree with this characterization.
  zh: 耶稣并不反对这种描述。
- start: 1060.322
  end: 1062.183
  speaker: unknown
  en: He tells her instead, this is going to change.
  zh: 祂反而告诉她，这将会改变。
- start: 1062.183
  end: 1068.065
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says, woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
  zh: 祂说，妇人，你当信我，时候将到，你们拜父不在这山上，也不在耶路撒冷。
- start: 1068.225
  end: 1073.607
  speaker: unknown
  en: So he acknowledges that there's one place of worship in Judaism and in Samaritan religion.
  zh: 所以祂承认，在犹太教和撒玛利亚宗教中都有一个敬拜的地方。
- start: 1074.107
  end: 1079.769
  speaker: unknown
  en: So this is something clearly different than prayer or teaching, which could happen all over.
  zh: 所以这显然不同于祷告或教导，这些可以在任何地方进行。
- start: 1079.989
  end: 1081.29
  speaker: unknown
  en: So what is worship?
  zh: 那么，敬拜是什么？
- start: 1081.57
  end: 1086.932
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, the word in English comes from worthyship, which is to give God his worth.
  zh: 英文中的“worship”一词源自“worthyship”，意思是给予神祂的价值。
- start: 1087.398
  end: 1089.06
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's a pretty good way of understanding it.
  zh: 这是一个相当好的理解方式。
- start: 1089.06
  end: 1092.142
  speaker: unknown
  en: We'll get into kind of the contours.
  zh: 我们会深入探讨其轮廓。
- start: 1092.442
  end: 1094.564
  speaker: unknown
  en: We'll put it like this, threefold distinction.
  zh: 我们这样说，三重区分。
- start: 1094.564
  end: 1095.485
  speaker: unknown
  en: You got teaching and preaching.
  zh: 你有教导和讲道。
- start: 1095.485
  end: 1097.186
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's talking about God.
  zh: 那是在谈论神。
- start: 1097.583
  end: 1098.664
  speaker: unknown
  en: We see that in the synagogue.
  zh: 我们在会堂里看到这一点。
- start: 1098.664
  end: 1099.664
  speaker: unknown
  en: Of course, that can happen anywhere.
  zh: 当然，这可以在任何地方发生。
- start: 1099.664
  end: 1100.765
  speaker: unknown
  en: It can happen in the marketplace.
  zh: 可以在市场上发生。
- start: 1100.765
  end: 1103.186
  speaker: unknown
  en: It can happen wherever you find a crowd of people.
  zh: 可以在你找到一群人的任何地方发生。
- start: 1103.186
  end: 1109.29
  speaker: unknown
  en: But you're probably going to try to go into public to do that, right, to meet as many people as possible, to tell them the good news.
  zh: 但你可能会试图去公共场所做这件事，对吧，尽可能多地遇见人，告诉他们福音。
- start: 1109.39
  end: 1111.932
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's contrasted from prayer, which there's something intimate.
  zh: 这与祷告形成对比，祷告有某种亲密性。
- start: 1111.932
  end: 1113.513
  speaker: unknown
  en: You're talking to God.
  zh: 你是在与神交谈。
- start: 1113.513
  end: 1119.236
  speaker: unknown
  en: So there, the emphasis isn't get in front of as many people as possible, but find a place where you can go to pray.
  zh: 所以，重点不是尽可能多地在人前，而是找到一个你可以去祷告的地方。
- start: 1119.236
  end: 1121.858
  speaker: unknown
  en: The upper room, we find people going into the temple to pray.
  zh: 楼上房间，我们看到人们进入圣殿祷告。
- start: 1121.858
  end: 1125.8
  speaker: unknown
  en: Think about the sinner who goes into the temple and beats his breast.
  zh: 想想那个进入圣殿捶胸的罪人。
- start: 1126.067
  end: 1127.707
  speaker: unknown
  en: You've got Jesus going to a lonely place.
  zh: 你有耶稣去到一个寂静的地方。
- start: 1127.707
  end: 1129.008
  speaker: unknown
  en: He basically is anywhere private.
  zh: 祂基本上是在任何私密的地方。
- start: 1129.008
  end: 1132.689
  speaker: unknown
  en: So if the teaching and preaching is anywhere public, the prayer is anywhere private.
  zh: 所以，如果教导和讲道是在任何公共场所进行的，祷告则是在任何私密的地方进行的。
- start: 1132.729
  end: 1142.251
  speaker: unknown
  en: Not that you're forbidden from preaching, excuse me, from praying in public, but you're forbidden from praying in public if your reason for doing it is to be seen by others.
  zh: 并不是说你被禁止在公共场所祷告，而是如果你在公共场所祷告的原因是为了被别人看见，那你就被禁止这样做。
- start: 1143.092
  end: 1151.714
  speaker: unknown
  en: But then worship, which isn't just talking to God, but it's actually offering to God, giving God what he's owed, that was done in the temple.
  zh: 但敬拜不仅仅是与神交谈，而是向神献上，给予神祂应得的，这是在圣殿中进行的。
- start: 1152.558
  end: 1158.622
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, that's going to lead to the question both what is worship and where do we Christians worship?
  zh: 现在，这就引出了两个问题，敬拜是什么，我们基督徒在哪里敬拜？
- start: 1158.622
  end: 1160.663
  speaker: unknown
  en: How do we Christians worship?
  zh: 我们基督徒如何敬拜？
- start: 1160.663
  end: 1162.064
  speaker: unknown
  en: So let's unpack that.
  zh: 所以让我们来解析一下。
- start: 1162.064
  end: 1167.326
  speaker: unknown
  en: First, worship was inseparable from the concept of sacrifice.
  zh: 首先，敬拜与祭献的概念是不可分割的。
- start: 1167.327
  end: 1176.572
  speaker: unknown
  en: Everett Ferguson, Protestant scholar, in his book, The Early Church at Work and Worship, points this out, that sacrifice was the universal language of worship in the ancient world.
  zh: 新教学者埃弗雷特·弗格森在他的书《早期教会的工作与敬拜》中指出，祭献是古代世界中敬拜的通用语言。
- start: 1176.792
  end: 1185.417
  speaker: unknown
  en: That when we're talking about worship, we almost always mean sacrifice because sacrifice is our way of honoring God.
  zh: 当我们谈论敬拜时，我们几乎总是指祭献，因为祭献是我们尊崇神的方式。
- start: 1185.978
  end: 1188.839
  speaker: unknown
  en: St. Augustine points this out in book 10 of City of God.
  zh: 圣奥古斯丁在《上帝之城》第十卷中指出了这一点。
- start: 1189.04
  end: 1197.866
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says, putting aside for the present the other religious services with which God is worshipped, certainly no man would dare to say that sacrifice is due to any but God.
  zh: 他说，暂且不谈其他敬拜神的宗教仪式，肯定没有人敢说祭献是献给任何人而不是神的。
- start: 1197.866
  end: 1205.071
  speaker: unknown
  en: In other words, yeah, sure, we can talk about other things as forms of worship, but the way of worship par excellence is sacrifice.
  zh: 换句话说，是的，我们可以谈论其他形式的敬拜，但最卓越的敬拜方式是祭献。
- start: 1205.291
  end: 1209.154
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's what you couldn't do except in Nadkirazim or in the temple in Jerusalem.
  zh: 这是你除了在基利心山或耶路撒冷的圣殿之外不能做的事情。
- start: 1209.154
  end: 1210.695
  speaker: unknown
  en: You couldn't offer animal sacrifices.
  zh: 你不能献上动物祭品。
- start: 1210.695
  end: 1213.537
  speaker: unknown
  en: You couldn't sacrifice a Passover lamb, for instance.
  zh: 例如，你不能献上逾越节的羔羊。
- start: 1213.537
  end: 1218.4
  speaker: unknown
  en: Even today, Samaritans go to Nadkirazim to do the Passover sacrifice.
  zh: 即使在今天，撒玛利亚人也会去基利心山进行逾越节的祭献。
- start: 1218.46
  end: 1220.922
  speaker: unknown
  en: So sacrifice, that's worship.
  zh: 所以祭献，就是敬拜。
- start: 1220.922
  end: 1222.643
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's to God alone.
  zh: 那是只献给神的。
- start: 1223.384
  end: 1224.544
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so Augustine goes on.
  zh: 所以奥古斯丁继续说。
- start: 1224.544
  end: 1228.527
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says, many parts indeed of divine worship are unduly used in showing honor to men.
  zh: 他说，确实，神圣敬拜的许多部分被不当用于向人表示敬意。
- start: 1228.527
  end: 1243.199
  speaker: unknown
  en: In other words, if worship is about giving God what's owed to him, that honor of God, there are ways where we can have flattery that looks like it's imitating divine honor, where we're talking about some man as if he's God.
  zh: 换句话说，如果敬拜是关于给予神祂应得的，那神的荣耀，有些方式我们可以用看似模仿神圣荣耀的奉承，我们谈论某个人好像他是神一样。
- start: 1244.08
  end: 1254.515
  speaker: unknown
  en: But even when we fall into this, no one is crazy enough, he says, basically, who ever thought of sacrificing, save to one whom he knew, supposed, or feigned to be a God.
  zh: 但即使我们陷入这种情况，他说，基本上，没有人疯狂到会想到献祭，除非是献给他知道、认为或假装是神的对象。
- start: 1252.694
  end: 1262.179
  speaker: unknown
  en: So there's a way of using adulating, flattering language where, oh, I adore this person.
  zh: 所以有一种使用奉承、讨好的语言的方式，比如，哦，我崇拜这个人。
- start: 1262.179
  end: 1270.643
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, you're using the language of worship, the language of divine honor and applying it to a person, an adorable baby.
  zh: 好吧，你在使用敬拜的语言，神圣荣耀的语言，并将其应用于一个人，一个可爱的婴儿。
- start: 1270.703
  end: 1275.225
  speaker: unknown
  en: You're technically saying that that baby is worthy of divine worship.
  zh: 从技术上讲，你是在说那个婴儿值得神圣的敬拜。
- start: 1275.786
  end: 1281.148
  speaker: unknown
  en: But even when you have that kind of language of flattery, you're not actually worshiping the baby.
  zh: 但即使你有那种奉承的语言，你实际上并没有在敬拜那个婴儿。
- start: 1283.687
  end: 1285.469
  speaker: unknown
  en: Augustine is going to say, you shouldn't do that.
  zh: 奥古斯丁会说，你不应该那样做。
- start: 1285.469
  end: 1288.131
  speaker: unknown
  en: There's something undue about that pernicious kind of flattery.
  zh: 那种有害的奉承有些不当。
- start: 1288.131
  end: 1293.534
  speaker: unknown
  en: But even in those cases, you're not crazy enough to say, I'm going to have a liturgy where I offer sacrifice to the baby.
  zh: 但即使在那些情况下，你也不会疯狂到说，我要举行一个向婴儿献祭的礼仪。
- start: 1294.095
  end: 1305.323
  speaker: unknown
  en: That that's the kind of thing that's so obviously at the center of worship, that idea of sacrificing to God, that this is only done to someone you regard as God.
  zh: 那种显然是敬拜中心的事情，向神献祭的观念，这只会对你认为是神的对象进行。
- start: 1305.703
  end: 1307.663
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he points out this is how it's always been.
  zh: 他指出，这一直以来都是如此。
- start: 1307.663
  end: 1311.984
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's not just this is true in Judaism or Christianity or paganism.
  zh: 这不仅在犹太教、基督教或异教中是如此。
- start: 1311.984
  end: 1314.925
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is true as far back as we find humans.
  zh: 这在人类历史上一直如此。
- start: 1315.825
  end: 1323.887
  speaker: unknown
  en: Augustine puts it like this, how ancient a part of God's worship sacrifice is, those two brothers, Cain and Abel, sufficiently show.
  zh: 奥古斯丁这样说，神的敬拜中祭献有多古老，足以从该隐和亚伯这两兄弟身上看出。
- start: 1324.347
  end: 1327.748
  speaker: unknown
  en: Cain and Abel both go to offer God worship through what?
  zh: 该隐和亚伯都通过什么来向神敬拜？
- start: 1327.748
  end: 1328.888
  speaker: unknown
  en: Through sacrifice.
  zh: 通过祭献。
- start: 1328.888
  end: 1340.233
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the difference between them is that one offers God the best in sacrifice and the other doesn't. That is, Abel offers God the firstlings, the firstborn animal.
  zh: 他们之间的区别在于，一个献上最好的祭品，而另一个没有。亚伯献上了头生的动物。
- start: 1340.374
  end: 1343.8
  speaker: unknown
  en: Cain offers the grain from the ground, the leftovers.
  zh: 该隐献上了地里的谷物，剩余的。
- start: 1344.301
  end: 1348.748
  speaker: unknown
  en: But both of them realize that if we're going to worship God, we need to be offering sacrifice.
  zh: 但他们都意识到，如果我们要敬拜神，我们需要献上祭品。
- start: 1349.165
  end: 1353.506
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, that's really a critical part of the conception of worship.
  zh: 所以，这是敬拜概念中的一个关键部分。
- start: 1353.506
  end: 1356.546
  speaker: unknown
  en: We could say that worship is a little broader than sacrifice.
  zh: 我们可以说，敬拜比祭献稍微广泛一些。
- start: 1356.546
  end: 1358.087
  speaker: unknown
  en: Augustine makes that point.
  zh: 奥古斯丁指出了这一点。
- start: 1358.087
  end: 1359.667
  speaker: unknown
  en: But this is at the heart of it.
  zh: 但这是其核心。
- start: 1359.667
  end: 1363.128
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, if you want to make sense of worship, it's giving God what's due to him.
  zh: 所以，如果你想理解敬拜，就是给予神祂应得的。
- start: 1363.128
  end: 1366.368
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the primary way we do that is through sacrifice.
  zh: 而我们做到这一点的主要方式是通过祭献。
- start: 1366.368
  end: 1369.489
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, what then does Christian worship look like?
  zh: 那么，基督徒的敬拜是什么样的呢？
- start: 1370.109
  end: 1372.389
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, there's a few answers to that question.
  zh: 对此问题有几个答案。
- start: 1372.47
  end: 1384.12
  speaker: unknown
  en: First, St. Paul says in Romans 12, I appeal to you, therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
  zh: 首先，圣保罗在罗马书第十二章中说，所以弟兄们，我以神的慈悲劝你们，将身体献上，当作活祭，是圣洁的，是神所喜悦的，你们如此事奉乃是理所当然的。
- start: 1385.026
  end: 1387.588
  speaker: unknown
  en: Notice, Christian worship is still sacrificial worship.
  zh: 请注意，基督徒的敬拜仍然是祭献的敬拜。
- start: 1387.588
  end: 1389.709
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're offering our bodies as a living sacrifice.
  zh: 我们将身体献上，当作活祭。
- start: 1389.709
  end: 1393.531
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, if your body really is a temple of the Lord, what do you do in a temple?
  zh: 所以，如果你的身体真的是主的殿，你在殿里做什么？
- start: 1393.531
  end: 1395.112
  speaker: unknown
  en: You offer sacrifice.
  zh: 你献上祭品。
- start: 1395.112
  end: 1408.86
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, all of those times where you offer something up, you offer up a suffering, you allow yourself to be inconvenienced for the sake of God, and all of those things, when you're doing it out of love of God and out of love of neighbor, you are showing God what he is due through the sacrifice you're making.
  zh: 所以，所有那些你献上某物的时刻，你献上痛苦，你为了神的缘故让自己不方便，所有这些事情，当你出于对神和邻舍的爱而做时，你通过你所做的祭献向神展示祂应得的。
- start: 1408.86
  end: 1410.041
  speaker: unknown
  en: That is worship.
  zh: 那就是敬拜。
- start: 1411.118
  end: 1419.46
  speaker: unknown
  en: Hebrews 13, similarly, says, through him, Jesus, then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God when we acknowledge God.
  zh: 希伯来书第十三章同样说，我们应当靠着耶稣，常常以颂赞为祭献给神，这就是承认祂名之人嘴唇的果子。
- start: 1419.46
  end: 1428.023
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know, so, you can pray to God and ask for a lot of things, but we often forget to actually worship him, acknowledging the goodness and grandeur and majesty of God.
  zh: 你知道，你可以向神祷告并请求很多事情，但我们常常忘记真正敬拜祂，承认神的美善、伟大和威严。
- start: 1428.023
  end: 1436.025
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in a sacrifice of praise, we are taking the time and effort to acknowledge, God, you are God, and this is what you mean to me, and this is who you are.
  zh: 在颂赞的祭献中，我们花时间和精力承认，神啊，你是神，这就是你对我的意义，这就是你的身份。
- start: 1436.025
  end: 1440.286
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in that, we are giving in a small way, we are giving God his due.
  zh: 在那之中，我们以一种小方式给予神祂应得的。
- start: 1441.468
  end: 1449.416
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, Hebrews 13 describes this sacrifice of praise as the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name, that treating God as God.
  zh: 所以，希伯来书第十三章将这种颂赞的祭献描述为承认祂名之人嘴唇的果子，就是将神当作神来对待。
- start: 1449.614
  end: 1452.936
  speaker: unknown
  en: This then leads in the next verse to another way to offer sacrifice.
  zh: 这在下一节经文中引出了另一种献祭的方式。
- start: 1452.936
  end: 1458.641
  speaker: unknown
  en: Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
  zh: 不可忘记行善和捐输，因为这样的祭是神所喜悦的。
- start: 1458.641
  end: 1462.683
  speaker: unknown
  en: The good works done out of love of God are sacrifices.
  zh: 出于对神的爱的善行就是祭献。
- start: 1462.744
  end: 1465.045
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is one of the ways you make your body a living sacrifice.
  zh: 这是你将身体献上当作活祭的一种方式。
- start: 1465.045
  end: 1471.51
  speaker: unknown
  en: You allow it to be used in the service of God, to honor God that you recognize in your neighbor in the least of these.
  zh: 你让它被用于神的事工，尊崇神，你在最小的弟兄中认出神。
- start: 1471.816
  end: 1478.682
  speaker: unknown
  en: In those ways, by loving God and loving neighbor, both in what you say and in what you do, you are offering sacrifice.
  zh: 通过这些方式，无论在言语上还是在行为上，爱神和爱邻舍，你都在献上祭品。
- start: 1478.682
  end: 1487.029
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, so far, there are a lot of good Protestant theologians who would say yes to all of that, because all of that is just straight from the Bible.
  zh: 到目前为止，很多优秀的新教神学家都会同意这一切，因为这一切都直接来自圣经。
- start: 1487.029
  end: 1490.892
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, John Piper, for instance, in an essay called, What is Worship?
  zh: 例如，约翰·派博在一篇名为《什么是敬拜？》的文章中。
- start: 1490.892
  end: 1493.954
  speaker: unknown
  en: Or an article, it was like a Q&A called, What is Worship?
  zh: 或者一篇文章，像是一个问答，叫《什么是敬拜？》。
- start: 1494.195
  end: 1496.236
  speaker: unknown
  en: He acknowledges all this, and he says it really well.
  zh: 他承认这一切，并且说得很好。
- start: 1496.397
  end: 1500.86
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says, we worship God authentically when we know him truly and treasure him duly.
  zh: 他说，当我们真正认识神并适当地珍视祂时，我们才是真正地敬拜神。
- start: 1501.169
  end: 1507.873
  speaker: unknown
  en: Then the word worship refers to that valuing, that inner valuing becoming visible in the world in two basic ways in the New Testament.
  zh: 然后，敬拜这个词指的是那种重视，那种内在的重视在新约中通过两种基本方式在世界上变得可见。
- start: 1507.873
  end: 1508.694
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm going to pause here.
  zh: 我在这里暂停一下。
- start: 1508.694
  end: 1512.256
  speaker: unknown
  en: That inner value he's talking about is that worship involves the heart.
  zh: 他所说的内在价值是指敬拜涉及心灵。
- start: 1512.696
  end: 1516.739
  speaker: unknown
  en: Going through the motions of doing the thing is vain worship.
  zh: 走过场地做事是徒然的敬拜。
- start: 1516.739
  end: 1521.802
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know, Jesus warns about worshiping in vain, where you generally, I know I'm supposed to do this thing for God.
  zh: 你知道，耶稣警告说徒然敬拜，你通常知道我应该为神做这件事。
- start: 1522.162
  end: 1523.163
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm supposed to be here at Mass.
  zh: 我应该在这里参加弥撒。
- start: 1523.163
  end: 1524.463
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm supposed to be here doing this thing.
  zh: 我应该在这里做这件事。
- start: 1524.463
  end: 1540.053
  speaker: unknown
  en: But if your heart is not right before God, if you're just going through the motions, and you're not actually acknowledging this is the God before whom I stand, before whom I kneel, then you're missing something, that there is something at the core, which is an attitude of the heart.
  zh: 但如果你的心在神面前不正，如果你只是走过场，而没有真正承认这是我站立和跪拜的神，那么你就错过了一些东西，核心是心灵的态度。
- start: 1540.053
  end: 1541.794
  speaker: unknown
  en: But it's not just an attitude of the heart.
  zh: 但这不仅仅是心灵的态度。
- start: 1541.794
  end: 1547.177
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's an attitude of the heart that has to be expressed through your mouth and through your body, through your actions.
  zh: 这是必须通过你的口、你的身体、你的行为表达出来的心灵态度。
- start: 1547.828
  end: 1550.01
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, how do we make that visible in the world?
  zh: 那么，我们如何在世界上使其可见呢？
- start: 1550.01
  end: 1550.791
  speaker: unknown
  en: Two ways.
  zh: 两种方式。
- start: 1550.791
  end: 1556.016
  speaker: unknown
  en: One, he says, acts of the mouth, acts of praise and repentance and worship services or small group gatherings.
  zh: 一是他说的口的行为，赞美、悔改和敬拜服务或小组聚会的行为。
- start: 1556.097
  end: 1564.205
  speaker: unknown
  en: Two, acts of love with the body and the hands and the feet, acts of love that show the supreme value of God, but what we're willing to sacrifice for the good of others.
  zh: 二是用身体、手和脚的爱的行为，显示神的至高价值，以及我们愿意为他人的益处而牺牲的行为。
- start: 1564.205
  end: 1568.309
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, he's just really unpacking Hebrews 13 there, those two aspects.
  zh: 现在，他实际上是在解析希伯来书第十三章的那两个方面。
- start: 1568.309
  end: 1570.311
  speaker: unknown
  en: But what's he missing there?
  zh: 但他在那里遗漏了什么？
- start: 1570.965
  end: 1576.129
  speaker: unknown
  en: Those are still these really kind of individualized acts of sacrifice.
  zh: 这些仍然是非常个体化的祭献行为。
- start: 1576.269
  end: 1578.411
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because I can do all of those things totally by myself.
  zh: 因为我可以完全独自做所有这些事情。
- start: 1578.411
  end: 1579.912
  speaker: unknown
  en: I don't need another person.
  zh: 我不需要另一个人。
- start: 1579.932
  end: 1581.133
  speaker: unknown
  en: I certainly don't need another Christian.
  zh: 我当然不需要另一个基督徒。
- start: 1581.133
  end: 1583.615
  speaker: unknown
  en: I might need another person who needs help, right?
  zh: 我可能需要另一个需要帮助的人，对吧？
- start: 1583.855
  end: 1589.08
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, I can say, I love God, and I can go and serve my neighbor, and I don't need a brother Christian.
  zh: 所以，我可以说，我爱神，我可以去服务我的邻舍，我不需要一个基督徒弟兄。
- start: 1589.08
  end: 1593.183
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, there's not really a clear sense of corporate worship in that.
  zh: 所以，这里面没有真正明确的集体敬拜的概念。
- start: 1594.144
  end: 1605.125
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, here's where we need to turn to the part that many Protestants miss, which is that we are promised that there will be Christian sacrifice collectively.
  zh: 所以，这里我们需要转向许多新教徒忽略的部分，即我们被应许将会有集体的基督徒祭献。
- start: 1605.185
  end: 1606.065
  speaker: unknown
  en: Malachi 1 verse 11 says, from the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering, an offering is a sacrifice.
  zh: 玛拉基书一章十一节说，「从日出到日落，我的名在列邦中是大的，在各处，人必奉我的名烧香，献洁净的供物，供物就是祭献。」
- start: 1606.065
  end: 1606.065
  speaker: unknown
  en: For my name is great among the nations, the Gentiles.
  zh: 因为我的名在列邦中是大的，在外邦人中是大的。
- start: 1606.065
  end: 1632.999
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, God's promising that there will come a day when the nations, the Gentiles, the people who aren't just of the ethnic and religious stock of Israel, will be offering true worship to him.
  zh: 所以，神应许将有一天，列邦，外邦人，不仅仅是以色列的民族和宗教后裔，将向祂献上真正的敬拜。
- start: 1633.019
  end: 1637.002
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the early Christians were quick to highlight these kind of passages.
  zh: 早期基督徒很快就强调了这些经文。
- start: 1637.823
  end: 1642.065
  speaker: unknown
  en: But we'll get into that because the other way is explicitly the Eucharist.
  zh: 但我们会深入探讨，因为另一种方式明确是圣餐。
- start: 1642.065
  end: 1649.256
  speaker: unknown
  en: 1 Corinthians 10, St. Paul says, the cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ?
  zh: 哥林多前书第十章，圣保罗说，「我们所祝福的杯，岂不是同领基督的血吗？」
- start: 1649.256
  end: 1652.858
  speaker: unknown
  en: The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
  zh: 「我们所擘开的饼，岂不是同领基督的身体吗？」
- start: 1652.858
  end: 1660.922
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, how could it be that what appears to be bread and what appears to be wine could actually be a participation in Jesus Christ's body and blood?
  zh: 现在，怎么可能看起来是饼和酒的东西实际上是参与耶稣基督的身体和血呢？
- start: 1661.903
  end: 1663.103
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's going to explain.
  zh: 他将会解释。
- start: 1663.184
  end: 1671.068
  speaker: unknown
  en: But before he does that, he's going to say another shocking thing, that because there's one loaf, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
  zh: 但在他解释之前，他会说另一件令人震惊的事，因为只有一个饼，我们虽多，仍是一个身体，因为我们都分受这一个饼。
- start: 1671.068
  end: 1675.119
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, remember, St. Paul's not in Corinth when he's writing.
  zh: 现在，请记住，圣保罗写这封信时不在哥林多。
- start: 1675.119
  end: 1680.802
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's not saying literally that there's a loaf of bread that all Christians receive from and it makes us one body.
  zh: 他并不是说字面上有一个饼，所有基督徒都从中领受，使我们成为一个身体。
- start: 1680.802
  end: 1681.623
  speaker: unknown
  en: What's the one loaf?
  zh: 那一个饼是什么？
- start: 1681.623
  end: 1683.344
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, the one loaf is Jesus.
  zh: 那一个饼就是耶稣。
- start: 1683.604
  end: 1685.785
  speaker: unknown
  en: The one bread is Jesus Christ himself.
  zh: 那一个饼就是耶稣基督自己。
- start: 1685.785
  end: 1691.669
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then receiving Jesus in the Eucharist, we actually become one people as Christians.
  zh: 然后在圣餐中领受耶稣，我们实际上成为一个基督徒群体。
- start: 1692.029
  end: 1699.874
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he's going to defend this very provocative kind of claim, this claim that many people today would deny, and he's going to defend it in a really shocking way.
  zh: 他将为这种非常挑衅的主张辩护，这种许多人今天会否认的主张，他将以一种非常震惊的方式辩护。
- start: 1700.643
  end: 1704.265
  speaker: unknown
  en: First, he's going to compare it to the sacrificial practice of Israel.
  zh: 首先，他将其与以色列的祭献实践进行比较。
- start: 1704.366
  end: 1709.309
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, consider the practice of Israel, are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar?
  zh: 他说，「你们看属肉体的以色列人，那些吃祭物的，岂不是在祭坛上有分吗？」
- start: 1710.29
  end: 1713.452
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then if that wasn't shocking enough, okay, you've got Israel.
  zh: 如果这还不够震惊，好吧，你有以色列。
- start: 1714.093
  end: 1720.818
  speaker: unknown
  en: Okay, one way to understand the Eucharist is to remember in Israel, you've got food sacrifices, and then you'd be united with the sacrifices by eating them.
  zh: 好吧，理解圣餐的一种方式是记住在以色列，你有食物祭献，然后通过吃它们与祭献联合。
- start: 1720.818
  end: 1722.599
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, you've got the Passover lamb, right?
  zh: 所以，你有逾越节的羔羊，对吧？
- start: 1723.12
  end: 1727.542
  speaker: unknown
  en: Passover lamb, preparation day, you kill the lamb in the temple in Jerusalem.
  zh: 逾越节的羔羊，预备日，你在耶路撒冷的圣殿里宰杀羔羊。
- start: 1727.963
  end: 1729.504
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's not enough.
  zh: 那还不够。
- start: 1729.705
  end: 1734.306
  speaker: unknown
  en: You then become a partner in the sacrifice by eating the lamb.
  zh: 然后你通过吃羔羊成为祭献的伙伴。
- start: 1734.307
  end: 1735.567
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's Passover.
  zh: 那就是逾越节。
- start: 1736.027
  end: 1741.529
  speaker: unknown
  en: This prefigures the two actions, preparation day, Good Friday, Jesus, the lamb of God is killed.
  zh: 这预表了两个行动，预备日，受难日，神的羔羊耶稣被杀。
- start: 1742.449
  end: 1746.03
  speaker: unknown
  en: Then at the Last Supper and every mass since, we eat the lamb.
  zh: 然后在最后的晚餐和此后的每次弥撒中，我们吃羔羊。
- start: 1746.03
  end: 1748.291
  speaker: unknown
  en: Christ, our Paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
  zh: 基督，我们的逾越节羔羊，已经被献祭。
- start: 1748.291
  end: 1756.046
  speaker: unknown
  en: St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15, he's going to continue this theme for several chapters, that we eat the Passover lamb.
  zh: 圣保罗在哥林多前书第十五章中说，他将在接下来的几章中继续这个主题，我们吃逾越节的羔羊。
- start: 1756.046
  end: 1758.008
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's not enough to sacrifice the lamb.
  zh: 献祭羔羊是不够的。
- start: 1758.008
  end: 1761.73
  speaker: unknown
  en: To become a partner in the sacrifice, you must then eat the lamb.
  zh: 要成为祭献的伙伴，你必须吃羔羊。
- start: 1761.771
  end: 1765.433
  speaker: unknown
  en: You smeared the blood on the doorpost in that case, and then you ate the lamb.
  zh: 在那种情况下，你把血涂在门框上，然后吃羔羊。
- start: 1766.315
  end: 1768.096
  speaker: unknown
  en: Okay, fair enough.
  zh: 好吧，没问题。
- start: 1768.096
  end: 1769.957
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's going to make it more shocking.
  zh: 他将使其更加震惊。
- start: 1769.977
  end: 1774.14
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's then going to compare it to pagan demonic sacrifices.
  zh: 然后他将其与异教的恶魔祭献进行比较。
- start: 1774.821
  end: 1780.906
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he says, I imply it, with pagan sacrifice, they offer to demons and not to God.
  zh: 他说，我的意思是，异教的祭献是献给恶魔而不是神。
- start: 1781.115
  end: 1782.917
  speaker: unknown
  en: I do not want you to be partners with demons.
  zh: 我不愿意你们与恶魔有分。
- start: 1782.917
  end: 1786.039
  speaker: unknown
  en: You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons.
  zh: 你们不能喝主的杯又喝恶魔的杯。
- start: 1786.039
  end: 1788.861
  speaker: unknown
  en: You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
  zh: 你们不能吃主的筵席又吃恶魔的筵席。
- start: 1788.861
  end: 1790.262
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, what is going on here?
  zh: 现在，这里发生了什么？
- start: 1790.262
  end: 1794.546
  speaker: unknown
  en: The language there is sacrificial language, quite explicitly, right?
  zh: 那里的语言是祭献的语言，非常明确，对吧？
- start: 1794.546
  end: 1799.39
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's talking about the sacrifices demons make, excuse me, sacrifice pagans make to demons.
  zh: 他在谈论恶魔的祭献，抱歉，是异教徒献给恶魔的祭献。
- start: 1799.39
  end: 1803.793
  speaker: unknown
  en: The altar of demons there is like the table of demons is an altar.
  zh: 恶魔的祭坛就像恶魔的筵席是一个祭坛。
- start: 1803.873
  end: 1805.755
  speaker: unknown
  en: The cup is a sacrificial cup.
  zh: 那杯是祭献的杯。
- start: 1805.755
  end: 1812.98
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, if that's true, and Paul is making a comparison, a parallel, this only works if the table of the Lord is an altar.
  zh: 现在，如果这是真的，保罗在做一个比较，一个平行，这只有在主的筵席是一个祭坛时才有效。
- start: 1812.98
  end: 1816.282
  speaker: unknown
  en: It only works if the cup of the Lord is a sacrificial cup.
  zh: 这只有在主的杯是一个祭献的杯时才有效。
- start: 1816.943
  end: 1831.156
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, Paul's entire analogy here between what the pagans are doing, what the Jews are doing, what the Christians are doing at the Eucharist only works if the way we offer corporate, communal Christian worship is the Eucharist.
  zh: 所以，保罗在这里对异教徒所做的、犹太人所做的、基督徒在圣餐中所做的整个类比只有在我们以圣餐的方式进行集体、共同的基督徒敬拜时才有效。
- start: 1831.517
  end: 1832.598
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's what's going on here.
  zh: 这就是这里发生的事情。
- start: 1832.598
  end: 1835.1
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this is how the early Christians understood this.
  zh: 早期基督徒就是这样理解的。
- start: 1835.803
  end: 1842.848
  speaker: unknown
  en: Matthew 23, excuse me, Matthew 5, verse 23 to 24, Jesus says something that really ties in well to this.
  zh: 马太福音二十三章，抱歉，马太福音五章二十三到二十四节，耶稣说了一些与此非常相关的话。
- start: 1843.769
  end: 1845.85
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's right after the Sermon on the Mount or during the Sermon on the Mount.
  zh: 这是在登山宝训之后或期间。
- start: 1845.85
  end: 1853.275
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says, if you're offering your gift at the altar and there, remember your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go.
  zh: 祂说，「所以你在祭坛上献礼物的时候，若想起弟兄向你怀怨，就把礼物留在坛前，先去同弟兄和好，然后来献礼物。」
- start: 1853.275
  end: 1857.138
  speaker: unknown
  en: First be reconciled to your brother and then come and offer your gift.
  zh: 「先去同弟兄和好，然后来献礼物。」
- start: 1857.138
  end: 1863.762
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, notice that's presupposing that Christians still have an altar at which gifts are offered.
  zh: 请注意，这预设了基督徒仍然有一个献礼物的祭坛。
- start: 1864.036
  end: 1877.559
  speaker: unknown
  en: The strange thing is that much of Protestantism, you have things like altar calls and no altars, no place where actual sacrifice is offered to God where people come together and say, here are the gifts, here are the offerings that we're bringing before God.
  zh: 奇怪的是，在许多新教中，你有像祭坛呼召这样的东西，却没有祭坛，没有一个实际献祭给神的地方，人们聚在一起说，这里是礼物，这里是我们带到神面前的供物。
- start: 1877.739
  end: 1880.36
  speaker: unknown
  en: But this is what happens at the mass, in the offertory.
  zh: 但这就是在弥撒中的奉献礼上发生的事情。
- start: 1880.36
  end: 1881.02
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's what we're doing.
  zh: 这就是我们在做的事情。
- start: 1881.02
  end: 1884.641
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're gathering the money representing the gifts we have.
  zh: 我们收集代表我们礼物的钱。
- start: 1884.641
  end: 1887.241
  speaker: unknown
  en: In the old days, it would have been you'd bring an actual food and things.
  zh: 在过去，你会带来实际的食物和物品。
- start: 1887.241
  end: 1890.922
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, we reduce that to the cash value of those things.
  zh: 现在，我们将其简化为这些物品的现金价值。
- start: 1890.922
  end: 1894.003
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we bring those things and we place them at the altar.
  zh: 我们带来这些东西并将它们放在祭坛上。
- start: 1894.739
  end: 1901.322
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, this is why in the early liturgy, the sign of peace was actually right there because of Matthew 5. Okay.
  zh: 所以，这就是为什么在早期礼仪中，平安礼就在那儿，因为马太福音第五章。好吧。
- start: 1901.843
  end: 1905.905
  speaker: unknown
  en: The Didache, first century Christian document, picks up on this theme.
  zh: 《十二使徒遗训》，一世纪的基督教文献，采纳了这个主题。
- start: 1906.586
  end: 1908.566
  speaker: unknown
  en: And it says this.
  zh: 它这样说。
- start: 1908.647
  end: 1918.332
  speaker: unknown
  en: It says, on the Lord's day of the Lord, I know it's redundant, but it's Sunday, come together, break bread, and hold Eucharist after confessing your transgressions, so your offering may be pure.
  zh: 它说，在主的日子，我知道这有点重复，但就是星期天，聚在一起，擘饼，并在承认你的过犯后举行圣餐，这样你的祭献才是洁净的。
- start: 1918.892
  end: 1921.454
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then it appeals to two passages.
  zh: 然后它引用了两段经文。
- start: 1921.454
  end: 1929.798
  speaker: unknown
  en: One of them, what Jesus had said, the Lord has said, in every place and time, offer me a pure sacrifice from a great king.
  zh: 其中一段是耶稣所说的，主说，在各处各时，献给我洁净的祭物，来自伟大的王。
- start: 1929.978
  end: 1931.56
  speaker: unknown
  en: And my name is wonderful among the heathens.
  zh: 我的名在外邦人中是奇妙的。
- start: 1931.56
  end: 1932.0
  speaker: unknown
  en: What is that?
  zh: 那是什么？
- start: 1932.0
  end: 1937.545
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's Malachi 1.11. And the other is that your sacrifice may not be defiled by doing this reconciliation.
  zh: 那是玛拉基书一章十一节。另一段是通过和解使你的祭献不被玷污。
- start: 1937.545
  end: 1944.922
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's an allusion to Matthew 5. So, the Didache is already pointing to both old and New Testament evidence that this is how Christian worship works.
  zh: 那是对马太福音第五章的暗示。所以，《十二使徒遗训》已经指出了旧约和新约的证据，这就是基督徒敬拜的运作方式。
- start: 1944.922
  end: 1947.783
  speaker: unknown
  en: You make peace with one another, and then you have the Eucharist.
  zh: 你们彼此和好，然后举行圣餐。
- start: 1947.983
  end: 1953.246
  speaker: unknown
  en: St. Justin Martyr, writing about 150 in his dialogue with Trifo, he was Jewish.
  zh: 圣殉道者游斯丁在大约公元150年写的与特里弗的对话中，他是犹太人。
- start: 1953.546
  end: 1954.106
  speaker: unknown
  en: He points to this.
  zh: 他指出了这一点。
- start: 1954.106
  end: 1971.93
  speaker: unknown
  en: He points to Malachi 1 and says, this shows how God anticipated all the sacrifices which we offer through this name, and which Jesus the Christ enjoined us to offer, i.e., in the Eucharist, the bread and the cup, which are presented by Christians in all places throughout the world.
  zh: 他指出玛拉基书一章，并说，这表明神预见了我们通过这个名字所献上的所有祭献，以及耶稣基督吩咐我们献上的祭献，即在圣餐中，基督徒在世界各地献上的饼和杯。
- start: 1970.59
  end: 1973.971
  speaker: unknown
  en: That Malachi 1.11 shows that these sacrifices are well-pleasing to him.
  zh: 玛拉基书一章十一节表明这些祭献是祂所喜悦的。
- start: 1973.971
  end: 1975.731
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, notice the Christian conception.
  zh: 所以，请注意基督徒的概念。
- start: 1975.731
  end: 1977.071
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is not some medieval idea.
  zh: 这不是某种中世纪的想法。
- start: 1977.071
  end: 1978.372
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is not some modern idea.
  zh: 这不是某种现代的想法。
- start: 1978.372
  end: 1980.292
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is not something that Aquinas comes up with.
  zh: 这不是阿奎那想出来的。
- start: 1980.292
  end: 1982.712
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is not something the Council of Trent invents.
  zh: 这不是特伦特会议发明的。
- start: 1983.273
  end: 1997.375
  speaker: unknown
  en: That early Christians, this is prior to the word Trinity being used for the Godhead, have this very crystal clear conception that the Christian liturgy is a sacrificial offering to God in the Eucharist.
  zh: 早期基督徒，在三位一体这个词被用于神之前，就有一个非常清晰的概念，即基督徒的礼仪是在圣餐中向神献上的祭献。
- start: 1998.716
  end: 2010.476
  speaker: unknown
  en: Last example, St. Irenaeus, in one of the fragments we have from him, points aside and says, looks at a couple passages, looks at Malachi, and looks at Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman.
  zh: 最后一个例子，圣爱任纽在我们从他那里得到的一个片段中，指出并说，看了几段经文，看了玛拉基书，并看了耶稣与撒玛利亚妇人的对话。
- start: 2010.476
  end: 2016.239
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he says, therefore, the oblation of the Eucharist, the sacrifice of the Eucharist, is not a carnal one, but a spiritual one.
  zh: 他说，因此，圣餐的奉献，圣餐的祭献，不是肉体的，而是属灵的。
- start: 2016.439
  end: 2017.52
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in this respect, it's pure.
  zh: 在这方面，它是纯洁的。
- start: 2017.52
  end: 2018.9
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he explains what he means.
  zh: 他解释了他的意思。
- start: 2018.92
  end: 2026.744
  speaker: unknown
  en: For we make an oblation to God of the bread and the cup of blessing, giving him thanks, and that he has commanded the earth to bring forth these fruits for our nourishment.
  zh: 因为我们将祝福的饼和杯献给神，感谢祂，并且祂命令地球出产这些果实供我们养育。
- start: 2027.353
  end: 2043.419
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then, when we've perfected the oblation, we invoke the Holy Spirit, that he may exhibit this sacrifice, both the bread, the body of Christ, and the cup, the blood of Christ, in order that the receivers of these antitypes may obtain remission of sins and life eternal.
  zh: 然后，当我们完成奉献时，我们祈求圣灵，使祂显现这祭献，即基督的身体和血，使这些预表的领受者获得罪的赦免和永生。
- start: 2043.419
  end: 2046.48
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, a type corresponds to an antitype.
  zh: 现在，预表对应于应验。
- start: 2046.48
  end: 2049.321
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, he's saying the bread and wine are types.
  zh: 所以，他说饼和酒是预表。
- start: 2049.321
  end: 2054.684
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're foreshadowing, and they're then fulfilled when they become the body and blood of Jesus.
  zh: 它们是预示，当它们成为耶稣的身体和血时，它们就应验了。
- start: 2054.924
  end: 2062.027
  speaker: unknown
  en: These are things that are foreshadowing, just like the old temple is a type of the antitype, the heavenly temple.
  zh: 这些是预示的事物，就像旧圣殿是天上圣殿的预表。
- start: 2062.381
  end: 2067.023
  speaker: unknown
  en: The snake that's lifted up is a type of Jesus on the cross.
  zh: 被举起的蛇是耶稣在十字架上的预表。
- start: 2067.023
  end: 2067.783
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's the antitype.
  zh: 祂是应验。
- start: 2067.783
  end: 2073.205
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, here, the bread and wine are the types that become the antitype, they become the body and blood of Jesus.
  zh: 所以，这里，饼和酒是成为应验的预表，它们成为耶稣的身体和血。
- start: 2073.205
  end: 2076.827
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we, when we receive them, receive the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.
  zh: 当我们领受它们时，我们获得罪的赦免和永生。
- start: 2076.827
  end: 2077.987
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's what he says.
  zh: 这就是他说的。
- start: 2078.748
  end: 2079.768
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is quite clear.
  zh: 这非常清楚。
- start: 2080.009
  end: 2097.38
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is what Christian sacrifice looks like, that when you go to mass, you take these small sacrifices of your life, you take all these ways that you've tried to offer your body as a living sacrifice, you take all these ways that you've allowed yourself to be inconvenienced for the sake of our Lord, and you unite them with the perfect offering Jesus has.
  zh: 这就是基督徒祭献的样子，当你参加弥撒时，你带上你生活中的这些小祭献，带上你试图将身体献上当作活祭的所有方式，带上你为了主的缘故让自己不方便的所有方式，并将它们与耶稣的完美祭献联合起来。
- start: 2097.38
  end: 2101.963
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in this way, we're all brought together in this perfect act of sacrifice.
  zh: 通过这种方式，我们都在这个完美的祭献行为中被联合在一起。
- start: 2102.763
  end: 2107.086
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, that's what I mean when I say that a lot of Protestant worship isn't worship.
  zh: 所以，当我说很多新教的敬拜不是敬拜时，这就是我的意思。
- start: 2107.558
  end: 2108.498
  speaker: unknown
  en: I mean this.
  zh: 我的意思是这个。
- start: 2108.719
  end: 2110.96
  speaker: unknown
  en: A lot of it is preaching and teaching, which is great.
  zh: 很多是讲道和教导，这是很好的。
- start: 2110.96
  end: 2111.861
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's good.
  zh: 这是好的。
- start: 2112.061
  end: 2114.602
  speaker: unknown
  en: Some of it is prayer, which is great and good.
  zh: 有些是祷告，这是很好的。
- start: 2115.203
  end: 2124.248
  speaker: unknown
  en: But what's missing is the notion of worship, which is sacrificial, which is an offering to God, and that so much of that has been omitted.
  zh: 但缺少的是敬拜的概念，即祭献，是向神献上的祭品，而这一点被遗漏了很多。
- start: 2124.289
  end: 2130.812
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, you can go to a worship service, in quotation marks, that's just people praying and talking about Jesus.
  zh: 所以，你可以去一个所谓的敬拜服务，只是人们在祷告和谈论耶稣。
- start: 2131.233
  end: 2136.685
  speaker: unknown
  en: Again, good things, but at no point there are they actually worshiping Him.
  zh: 再次，这是好事，但在任何时候他们都没有真正敬拜祂。
- start: 2136.685
  end: 2139.447
  speaker: unknown
  en: Or at least that's the risk, right?
  zh: 或者至少这是风险，对吧？
- start: 2139.447
  end: 2148.594
  speaker: unknown
  en: That you can have a worship service in which the pulpit is the center, and what you've done is you've replaced worship, the altar, with preaching, the pulpit.
  zh: 你可以有一个讲坛为中心的敬拜服务，而你所做的是用讲道的讲坛取代了敬拜的祭坛。
- start: 2149.404
  end: 2154.867
  speaker: unknown
  en: Instead, the preaching and the pulpit and everything else should be preparation for worship.
  zh: 相反，讲道、讲坛和其他一切都应该是为敬拜做准备。
- start: 2154.867
  end: 2155.967
  speaker: unknown
  en: It should lead us into worship.
  zh: 它应该引导我们进入敬拜。
- start: 2155.967
  end: 2158.008
  speaker: unknown
  en: The model here is the road to Emmaus.
  zh: 这里的模式是通往以马忤斯的路。
- start: 2158.088
  end: 2167.313
  speaker: unknown
  en: On the road to Emmaus, Jesus—I've done an entire episode on this, so I'm not going to belabor this point—but Jesus walks with the two disciples and talks with them.
  zh: 在通往以马忤斯的路上，耶稣——我已经做了一整集关于这个的节目，所以我不会详细说明这一点——但耶稣与两个门徒同行并与他们交谈。
- start: 2167.393
  end: 2170.855
  speaker: unknown
  en: You have the preaching, you have all those things that are good, but it doesn't stop there.
  zh: 你有讲道，你有所有那些好的东西，但它并没有止步于此。
- start: 2170.855
  end: 2188.784
  speaker: unknown
  en: They then get to Emmaus, and He is known to them in the breaking of the bread, we're told, that He takes, blesses, breaks, and gives the bread, that He has done something in which their eyes are opened, and they recognize it's Jesus, and then He disappears from their sight.
  zh: 他们到了以马忤斯，祂在擘饼时被他们认出来，据说，祂拿起饼，祝福，擘开，递给他们，祂做了某件事，使他们的眼睛明亮，认出是耶稣，然后祂从他们眼前消失。
- start: 2188.885
  end: 2193.447
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's what's so often missing, the actual climax of all this, the source and the summit.
  zh: 这就是经常缺失的，所有这一切的实际高潮，源头和顶峰。
- start: 2193.607
  end: 2200.811
  speaker: unknown
  en: It would be like watching a movie and cutting out the actual, you know, the high point, the apex, and the resolution of the movie.
  zh: 这就像看电影时剪掉实际的高潮、顶点和结局。
- start: 2200.811
  end: 2205.113
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's like, yeah, that other part isn't bad, but you're missing the point if you think that's where it ends.
  zh: 就像是，其他部分不错，但如果你认为那就是结尾，你就错过了重点。
- start: 2206.073
  end: 2209.555
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, unfortunately, a lot of Protestant worship has become that.
  zh: 所以，不幸的是，很多新教的敬拜已经变成那样。
- start: 2210.328
  end: 2211.508
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, that's what I would say.
  zh: 所以，这就是我要说的。
- start: 2211.508
  end: 2215.45
  speaker: unknown
  en: Again, not that it's bad, it's just missing the heart.
  zh: 再次，不是说它不好，只是缺少了核心。
- start: 2215.45
  end: 2218.291
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's just missing the actual worship part.
  zh: 只是缺少了实际的敬拜部分。
- start: 2218.551
  end: 2220.152
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this is why we need the Eucharist.
  zh: 这就是为什么我们需要圣餐。
- start: 2220.152
  end: 2225.493
  speaker: unknown
  en: And if you're interested in that subject, I again point you to my new book, The Eucharist is Really Jesus,
  zh: 如果你对这个主题感兴趣，我再次推荐我的新书《圣餐真的是耶稣》。
- start: 2225.714
  end: 2229.295
  speaker: unknown
  en: because it explores that in greater depth than I was able to here.
  zh: 因为它比我在这里能够探讨的更深入。
- start: 2229.795
  end: 2231.316
  speaker: unknown
  en: For Shameless Potpourri, I'm Joe Heschmeyer.
  zh: 我是乔·赫施迈尔，这是无耻教皇党。
- start: 2231.316
  end: 2232.076
  speaker: unknown
  en: Thanks so much.
  zh: 非常感谢。
- start: 2232.076
  end: 2234.337
  speaker: unknown
  en: Please like, comment, share.
  zh: 请点赞、评论、分享。
- start: 2234.337
  end: 2235.397
  speaker: unknown
  en: Really interested in your comments.
  zh: 我非常感兴趣你的评论。
- start: 2235.397
  end: 2237.278
  speaker: unknown
  en: I always try to check them out.
  zh: 我总是尽量查看它们。
- start: 2237.278
  end: 2238.178
  speaker: unknown
  en: God bless you.
  zh: 愿神祝福你。
- start: 2239.133
  end: 2244.475
  speaker: unknown
  en: Thank you for listening to Shameless Potpourri, a production of the Catholic Answers Podcast Network.
  zh: 感谢你收听无耻教皇党，这是天主教答疑播客网络的制作。
- start: 2244.475
  end: 2249.236
  speaker: unknown
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  zh: 访问catholicanswerspodcast.com，找到更多精彩节目。
- start: 2249.317
  end: 2252.238
  speaker: unknown
  en: or search Catholic Answers wherever you listen to podcasts.
  zh: 或者在你收听播客的任何地方搜索天主教答疑。
