- start: 3.755
  end: 5.78
  speaker: barron
  en: than either or in regard to Jesus.
  zh: 比起对耶稣的任何一种看法。
- start: 6.647
  end: 9.988
  speaker: barron
  en: Either he is who he says he is, or he's a bad man.
  zh: 要么他就是他所说的那位，要么他是个坏人。
- start: 11.068
  end: 19.509
  speaker: barron
  en: What's ruled out is the middle ground that a lot of people take today, which is, well, Adam is God, but he's a very interesting, inspiring religious teacher.
  zh: 排除的是许多人今天采取的中间立场，就是说，亚当是神，但他是个非常有趣、鼓舞人心的宗教教师。
- start: 19.569
  end: 20.609
  speaker: barron
  en: Actually, he's not.
  zh: 其实，他不是。
- start: 20.609
  end: 24.59
  speaker: barron
  en: Actually, he's sort of a dangerous, strange figure.
  zh: 其实，他是个危险而奇特的人物。
- start: 24.73
  end: 29.491
  speaker: barron
  en: So, as he himself says, either you're with me or you're against me.
  zh: 所以，正如他自己所说，要么你与我同在，要么你反对我。
- start: 29.491
  end: 32.091
  speaker: barron
  en: Either you gather with me or you scatter.
  zh: 要么你与我一同收聚，要么你分散。
- start: 32.872
  end: 37.213
  speaker: barron
  en: He compels a choice the way no other religious founder does.
  zh: 他迫使人作出选择，这是其他任何宗教创始人都没有的。

- start: 128.497
  end: 135.44
  speaker: barron
  en: The essence of humor is the coming together of opposites, the meeting of incongruous things.
  zh: 幽默的本质是对立面的结合，是不相称事物的相遇。
- start: 138.681
  end: 144.584
  speaker: barron
  en: The central claim of Christianity is that God became human.
  zh: 基督教的核心宣告是神成为人。
- start: 145.144
  end: 149.626
  speaker: barron
  en: God became one of us, taking to himself a human nature.
  zh: 神成为我们中的一员，取了人性。
- start: 152.447
  end: 158.575
  speaker: barron
  en: And to make the humor even more acute, God didn't first appear in some great cultural center.
  zh: 为了使这幽默更为尖锐，神并没有首先出现在某个伟大的文化中心。
- start: 159.156
  end: 160.737
  speaker: barron
  en: He didn't appear in Rome.
  zh: 他没有出现在罗马。
- start: 161.017
  end: 163.319
  speaker: barron
  en: He didn't appear in Athens or Babylon.
  zh: 他没有出现在雅典或巴比伦。
- start: 164.5
  end: 167.322
  speaker: barron
  en: He appeared here in Bethlehem.
  zh: 他出现在这里的伯利恒。
- start: 167.762
  end: 171.985
  speaker: barron
  en: Even today, a simple, humble place, even more so in Jesus' time.
  zh: 即使在今天，仍是个简单、卑微的地方，在耶稣的时代更是如此。
- start: 174.347
  end: 182.693
  speaker: barron
  en: St. Paul said of Jesus, "Though he was in the form of God, Jesus did not deem equality with God something to be grasped.
  zh: 圣保罗论耶稣说：「他本有神的形像，不以自己与神同等为强夺的。
- start: 183.154
  end: 187.133
  speaker: barron
  en: Rather, he emptied himself and took the form of a slave."
  zh: 反倒虚己，取了奴仆的形像。」
- start: 190.414
  end: 194.635
  speaker: barron
  en: The master of the universe became, out of love, our slave.
  zh: 宇宙的主出于爱，成为我们的奴仆。
- start: 195.175
  end: 197.836
  speaker: barron
  en: And the joke is marvelously on us.
  zh: 这笑话奇妙地临到我们。
- start: 221.932
  end: 224.294
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus grew up in obscurity.
  zh: 耶稣在默默无闻中长大。
- start: 228.397
  end: 236.644
  speaker: barron
  en: We know almost nothing about the first 30 years of his life, except that most likely he was trained as a carpenter.
  zh: 关于他生命的前30年，我们几乎一无所知，只知道他很可能受过木匠的训练。
- start: 238.586
  end: 241.228
  speaker: barron
  en: He was not a member of a rabbinic school.
  zh: 他不是拉比学派的一员。
- start: 242.889
  end: 246.532
  speaker: barron
  en: He was not a scribe or a Pharisee or a temple priest.
  zh: 他不是文士、法利赛人或圣殿的祭司。
- start: 247.994
  end: 251.016
  speaker: barron
  en: He was, if you will, a layman.
  zh: 可以说，他是个平信徒。
- start: 254.386
  end: 260.832
  speaker: barron
  en: But he emerged on the scene around the year 30 AD in the most extraordinary way.
  zh: 但他在公元30年前后，以最非凡的方式出现。
- start: 267.38
  end: 285.266
  speaker: barron
  en: In the hills of Galilee, this carpenter began to preach with an unprecedented and unnerving boldness, claiming personal authority over the Torah itself, which was the divine law that was considered the court of final appeal for any faithful rabbi.
  zh: 在加利利的山丘上，这位木匠开始以空前大胆的方式宣讲，声称对律法本身拥有个人权威，而律法是任何忠实拉比所认为的最终裁决。
- start: 286.868
  end: 295.014
  speaker: barron
  en: He also performed great miracles of healing and demonstrated a mastery over the very forces of nature.
  zh: 他还行了大能的医治奇迹，显明对自然力量的掌控。
- start: 298.317
  end: 307.014
  speaker: barron
  en: The Gospels tell us that the crowds came at him from all sides, most of them wondering just who this man was.
  zh: 福音书告诉我们，众人从四面八方来找他，大多数人都在想这人到底是谁。
- start: 314.059
  end: 319.802
  speaker: barron
  en: One of my great fears is that Jesus becomes domesticated, so he's a nice, gentle figure.
  zh: 我最大的担忧之一是耶稣被驯化，成为一个和善、温柔的人物。
- start: 319.802
  end: 324.665
  speaker: barron
  en: I understand his moral teaching; he's like many other figures, and then, see, I probably forget about him.
  zh: 我理解他的道德教导；他像许多其他人物，然后，我可能就忘记他了。
- start: 324.665
  end: 328.287
  speaker: barron
  en: So he's like everybody else; he's an echo of a lot of other spiritual figures.
  zh: 所以他像其他人一样；他是许多其他灵性人物的回声。
- start: 328.287
  end: 331.329
  speaker: barron
  en: And the minute that happens, then the whole thing falls apart.
  zh: 一旦发生这种情况，整个事情就崩溃了。
- start: 331.389
  end: 338.641
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus was, in his own lifetime, and then after the resurrection, he was a deeply disconcerting figure.
  zh: 耶稣在他自己的生命中，以及复活之后，都是一个令人不安的人物。
- start: 338.641
  end: 340.623
  speaker: barron
  en: He was a subversive figure.
  zh: 他是一个颠覆性的人物。
- start: 340.784
  end: 342.726
  speaker: barron
  en: And so I want to recover that.
  zh: 所以我想恢复这一点。
- start: 365.772
  end: 378.74
  speaker: barron
  en: At a certain point, after his emergence on the public scene, Jesus traveled with his disciples to the far northern reaches of the Promised Land, to the region of Caesarea Philippi, near the present-day Golan Heights.
  zh: 在他公开出现后不久，耶稣带着门徒前往应许地的最北端，到了该撒利亚腓立比的地区，靠近今天的戈兰高地。
- start: 379.981
  end: 386.305
  speaker: barron
  en: Today, one can see the ruins of a temple to the god Pan that stood on this site in Jesus' day.
  zh: 今天，人们可以看到耶稣时代在此地供奉潘神的庙宇遗址。
- start: 388.727
  end: 393.47
  speaker: barron
  en: It was here that he asked them a very peculiar question.
  zh: 就在这里，他问了他们一个非常特别的问题。
- start: 395.069
  end: 398.915
  speaker: barron
  en: And that question was, "Who do people say that I am?"
  zh: 那问题是：「人说我是谁？」
- start: 399.437
  end: 402.321
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus didn't ask, "What do people think of my teaching?"
  zh: 耶稣没有问：「人怎样看我的教导？」
- start: 402.72
  end: 404.261
  speaker: barron
  en: or "What impression am I making?"
  zh: 或「我给人的印象如何？」
- start: 404.261
  end: 405.761
  speaker: barron
  en: Reasonable enough questions.
  zh: 这些都是合理的问题。
- start: 405.862
  end: 408.623
  speaker: barron
  en: He asked, "Who do people say that I am?"
  zh: 他问的是：「人说我是谁？」
- start: 408.623
  end: 413.586
  speaker: barron
  en: It's hard to imagine another great religious founder asking such a question.
  zh: 很难想象其他伟大的宗教创始人会问这样的问题。
- start: 413.866
  end: 416.908
  speaker: barron
  en: The Buddha wouldn't focus on himself, and I say it to his credit.
  zh: 佛陀不会关注自己，我认为这是他的优点。
- start: 416.908
  end: 419.949
  speaker: barron
  en: He would say, "There's a way I've discovered; I want you to know it."
  zh: 他会说：「我发现了一条道路；我希望你们知道。」
- start: 420.29
  end: 422.151
  speaker: barron
  en: Mohammed wouldn't focus on himself.
  zh: 穆罕默德不会关注自己。
- start: 422.151
  end: 425.152
  speaker: barron
  en: He'd say, "There's a revelation I've received; I want you to know it."
  zh: 他会说：「我领受了启示；我希望你们知道。」
- start: 425.252
  end: 427.333
  speaker: barron
  en: Confucius wouldn't say it's about me.
  zh: 孔子不会说这是关于我的。
- start: 427.333
  end: 430.015
  speaker: barron
  en: He'd say, "It's about this path that I found."
  zh: 他会说：「这是我找到的道路。」
- start: 431.235
  end: 432.436
  speaker: barron
  en: Then there's Jesus.
  zh: 然后是耶稣。
- start: 432.904
  end: 436.527
  speaker: barron
  en: His question is, "Who do you say that I am?"
  zh: 他的问题是：「你们说我是谁？」
- start: 437.368
  end: 440.37
  speaker: barron
  en: The whole gospel really hinges on this point.
  zh: 整个福音实际上就围绕这一点。
- start: 441.272
  end: 445.135
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus' identity personally is what it's about.
  zh: 关键在于耶稣的身份。
- start: 445.415
  end: 452.001
  speaker: barron
  en: Because throughout the gospels, he consistently speaks and acts in the very person of God.
  zh: 因为在整个福音书中，他始终以神的身份说话行事。
- start: 460.646
  end: 470.108
  speaker: barron
  en: In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus says, "Unless you love me more than your very life, more than your mother and father, you're not worthy of me."
  zh: 在路加福音中，耶稣说：「人到我这里来，若不爱我胜过爱自己的父母、妻子、儿女、弟兄、姐妹，和自己的性命，就不能作我的门徒。」
- start: 472.409
  end: 477.65
  speaker: barron
  en: You might imagine a religious teacher saying, "Unless you love God more than your very life..."
  zh: 你可能会想象一个宗教教师说：「除非你爱神胜过自己的性命……」
- start: 478.471
  end: 483.494
  speaker: barron
  en: But to say, "Unless you love me more than the highest goods in the world?"
  zh: 但他说：「除非你爱我胜过世上最高的美善？」
- start: 485.056
  end: 489.6
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus says to the paralyzed man, "My son, your sins are forgiven."
  zh: 耶稣对瘫子说：「小子，你的罪赦了。」
- start: 490.561
  end: 494.083
  speaker: barron
  en: Right away the bystanders say, "Who does this man think he is?
  zh: 旁边的人立刻说：「这人是谁？
- start: 494.164
  end: 496.105
  speaker: barron
  en: Only God can forgive sin."
  zh: 除了神，谁能赦罪？」
- start: 498.287
  end: 499.448
  speaker: barron
  en: Now here's the point.
  zh: 现在重点来了。
- start: 499.969
  end: 506.173
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus compels a choice the way no other religious founder does.
  zh: 耶稣迫使人作出选择，这是其他任何宗教创始人都没有的。
- start: 507.394
  end: 510.436
  speaker: barron
  en: Either you're with me, he said, or you're against me.
  zh: 他说：「不与我相合的，就是敌我的。」
- start: 510.436
  end: 511.817
  speaker: barron
  en: Do you see why?
  zh: 你明白为什么吗？
- start: 512.298
  end: 516.08
  speaker: barron
  en: If he is who he says he is, then we have to give our whole life to him.
  zh: 如果他就是他所说的那位，我们就必须将整个生命献给他。
- start: 516.08
  end: 520.203
  speaker: barron
  en: If he is God, then he must be the center of our lives.
  zh: 如果他是神，他就必须成为我们生命的中心。
- start: 520.904
  end: 524.518
  speaker: barron
  en: If he's not who he says he is, he's not a good man.
  zh: 如果他不是他所说的那位，他就不是个好人。
- start: 524.518
  end: 528.179
  speaker: barron
  en: He's a dangerous, misguided fanatic.
  zh: 他是个危险、误导的狂热分子。
- start: 529.1
  end: 536.423
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus, more than any other figure, more than any other religious founder, compels us to make a choice.
  zh: 耶稣比任何其他人物，比任何其他宗教创始人，更迫使我们作出选择。
- start: 556.761
  end: 562.264
  speaker: barron
  en: There's a strange passage in the 10th chapter of Mark's Gospel that's rarely commented upon.
  zh: 马可福音第十章有一段奇怪的经文，很少有人评论。
- start: 562.864
  end: 568.467
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus and his disciples are making their way from Galilee in the north to Jerusalem in the south.
  zh: 耶稣和他的门徒正从北方的加利利前往南方的耶路撒冷。
- start: 569.528
  end: 576.332
  speaker: barron
  en: Mark says this, "And they were going up to Jerusalem, and Jesus went before them.".
  zh: 马可这样说：「他们行路上耶路撒冷去，耶稣在前头走。」
- start: 577.873
  end: 579.394
  speaker: barron
  en: And they were amazed.
  zh: 门徒就希奇。
- start: 579.714
  end: 582.875
  speaker: barron
  en: And as they followed, they were afraid.
  zh: 跟从的人也害怕。
- start: 584.636
  end: 588.258
  speaker: barron
  en: This obscure fragment is, I think, very telling.
  zh: 我认为，这段不太引人注意的经文很有意义。
- start: 589.839
  end: 592.56
  speaker: barron
  en: One might be intrigued by a religious teacher.
  zh: 人可能会对一位宗教教师感兴趣。
- start: 593.76
  end: 596.561
  speaker: barron
  en: One might be captivated by a spiritual leader.
  zh: 人可能会被一位灵性领袖吸引。
- start: 597.942
  end: 599.583
  speaker: barron
  en: But amazed and afraid?
  zh: 但希奇和害怕？
- start: 600.804
  end: 609.116
  speaker: barron
  en: Then we recall that in the Old Testament, awe and fear are two standard responses to God.
  zh: 我们就想起在旧约中，敬畏和恐惧是对神的标准回应。
- start: 611.737
  end: 619.259
  speaker: barron
  en: Having grasped this uniqueness of Jesus, we can begin to look at his preaching and action with greater understanding.
  zh: 明白了耶稣的独特性，我们就能更好地理解他的宣讲和行动。
- start: 620.719
  end: 626.701
  speaker: barron
  en: He was God in the flesh, Yahweh moving among his people.
  zh: 他是道成肉身的神，耶和华在他子民中行走。
- start: 631.607
  end: 633.448
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus is strange.
  zh: 耶稣是奇特的。
- start: 633.928
  end: 639.951
  speaker: barron
  en: I'm going to resist the tendency to domesticate him and turn him into, yeah, he's like an ancient Deepak Chopra.
  zh: 我要抵制将他驯化的倾向，不把他变成一个古代的迪帕克·乔普拉。
- start: 639.951
  end: 645.433
  speaker: barron
  en: He had interesting spiritual insights, and the Gospel writers told these kind of cool stories to exemplify that.
  zh: 他有有趣的灵性见解，福音书作者讲述这些很酷的故事来说明。
- start: 645.493
  end: 647.014
  speaker: barron
  en: I think he was strange.
  zh: 我认为他是奇特的。
- start: 647.014
  end: 649.415
  speaker: barron
  en: And so people say that they were amazed and afraid.
  zh: 所以人们说他们希奇又害怕。
- start: 649.415
  end: 652.216
  speaker: barron
  en: I don't think anyone's really amazed and afraid of Deepak Chopra.
  zh: 我不认为有人会对迪帕克·乔普拉感到希奇和害怕。
- start: 652.216
  end: 656.627
  speaker: barron
  en: They might find him insightful and helpful, but I doubt they're amazed and afraid.
  zh: 他们可能觉得他有见地、有帮助，但我怀疑他们会希奇和害怕。
- start: 656.627
  end: 661.91
  speaker: barron
  en: But when someone takes five loaves and two fish and feeds 5,000, that's a little scary.
  zh: 但当有人用五饼二鱼喂饱五千人时，那就有点吓人了。
- start: 662.11
  end: 668.975
  speaker: barron
  en: And I think if we domesticate Jesus too much, we take away that dimension from him.
  zh: 我认为如果我们过于驯化耶稣，就会剥夺他这一面。
- start: 668.975
  end: 675.499
  speaker: barron
  en: They were intensely interested in the fact that Jesus drove out demons, that he performed miracles, that he healed people.
  zh: 他们对耶稣赶鬼、行神迹、医治人的事实极感兴趣。
- start: 675.499
  end: 677.14
  speaker: barron
  en: Even like the calming of the storm at sea.
  zh: 甚至像平静风浪。
- start: 677.14
  end: 681.403
  speaker: barron
  en: When that's over, they say, "Who is this?
  zh: 当那事结束时，他们说：「这到底是谁？
- start: 681.483
  end: 683.825
  speaker: barron
  en: Who is this man who can calm the..."
  zh: 这人竟能平静……」
- start: 683.825
  end: 685.166
  speaker: barron
  en: I mean, they knew all about spiritual gurus.
  zh: 我的意思是，他们对灵性导师了如指掌。
- start: 685.166
  end: 688.128
  speaker: barron
  en: They all had rabbis and teachers and insightful people.
  zh: 他们都有拉比、教师和有见地的人。
- start: 688.128
  end: 690.009
  speaker: barron
  en: But he was so far beyond that.
  zh: 但他远远超越了这些。
- start: 690.129
  end: 693.311
  speaker: barron
  en: Who is this who's calming the sea?
  zh: 这人是谁，竟能平静海浪？
- start: 715.227
  end: 721.231
  speaker: barron
  en: The ancient Israelites ardently expected that Yahweh would accomplish four great things.
  zh: 古代以色列人热切期望耶和华成就四件大事。
- start: 722.893
  end: 725.294
  speaker: barron
  en: He would gather and shepherd his people.
  zh: 他要聚集并牧养他的子民。
- start: 726.936
  end: 729.878
  speaker: barron
  en: He would purify the holy temple in Jerusalem.
  zh: 他要洁净耶路撒冷的圣殿。
- start: 731.485
  end: 733.946
  speaker: barron
  en: He would overcome the enemies of Israel.
  zh: 他要战胜以色列的敌人。
- start: 735.667
  end: 738.248
  speaker: barron
  en: And he would reign as the Lord of the nations.
  zh: 他要作为万国的主掌权。
- start: 740.47
  end: 750.054
  speaker: barron
  en: What startled the first followers of the Lord was that Jesus himself accomplished precisely these things, but in the most unexpected way.
  zh: 令主的最初跟随者惊讶的是，耶稣亲自成就了这些事，但以最出人意料的方式。
- start: 756.798
  end: 759.439
  speaker: barron
  en: I'm standing by the shore of the Sea of Galilee.
  zh: 我站在加利利海的岸边。
- start: 760.6
  end: 762.902
  speaker: barron
  en: I'm in Jesus' home country.
  zh: 我在耶稣的故乡。
- start: 762.902
  end: 766.404
  speaker: barron
  en: It's in these hills here that he preached for the first time.
  zh: 他第一次就在这些山丘上宣讲。
- start: 766.804
  end: 769.225
  speaker: barron
  en: And his theme was simple and direct.
  zh: 他的主题简单明了。
- start: 769.726
  end: 773.068
  speaker: barron
  en: The kingdom of God is at hand.
  zh: 神的国近了。
- start: 773.569
  end: 779.092
  speaker: barron
  en: Now, oceans of ink have been spilled over the centuries by scholars trying to explain what the kingdom of God meant.
  zh: 几个世纪以来，学者们为解释神的国的含义耗费了大量笔墨。
- start: 779.473
  end: 783.535
  speaker: barron
  en: It might be good to ask, what did people in these hills understand by that term?
  zh: 不妨问问，这些山丘上的人如何理解这个词？
- start: 786.137
  end: 790.66
  speaker: barron
  en: They would have understood the tribes are being gathered.
  zh: 他们会理解为支派正在被聚集。
- start: 792.881
  end: 796.822
  speaker: barron
  en: Throughout the Old Testament, God is portrayed as a great gathering force.
  zh: 在整个旧约中，神被描绘为一个伟大的聚集力量。
- start: 797.623
  end: 806.426
  speaker: barron
  en: God forms a people, Israel, after his own heart and then endeavors to use the Israelites as a magnet to gather the rest of the nations.
  zh: 神按自己的心意形成一个子民，以色列，然后努力用以色列人作为磁石来聚集其余的列国。
- start: 808.394
  end: 811.875
  speaker: barron
  en: How did Jesus, Yahweh in the flesh, do this?
  zh: 耶稣，作为道成肉身的耶和华，是如何做到这一点的？
- start: 814.176
  end: 823.739
  speaker: barron
  en: He practiced open table fellowship, inviting to his festive meals sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, the sick, and the forgotten.
  zh: 他实行开放的筵席团契，邀请罪人、妓女、税吏、病人和被遗忘的人参加他的宴席。
- start: 824.86
  end: 828.821
  speaker: barron
  en: He was not simply exemplifying the virtue of inclusivity.
  zh: 他不仅仅是在体现包容的美德。
- start: 829.542
  end: 833.363
  speaker: barron
  en: He was Yahweh gathering in his people.
  zh: 他是耶和华在聚集他的子民。
- start: 835.825
  end: 838.687
  speaker: barron
  en: This also explains why he healed so many.
  zh: 这也解释了他为何医治那么多人。
- start: 839.768
  end: 844.951
  speaker: barron
  en: In the society of his time, physical illness was construed as a kind of curse.
  zh: 在他那个时代的社会中，身体疾病被视为一种咒诅。
- start: 845.532
  end: 850.776
  speaker: barron
  en: And in many cases, sickness or deformity prevented one from worshiping with the rest of the community.
  zh: 而且在许多情况下，疾病或残疾使人无法与其他人一起敬拜。
- start: 852.177
  end: 861.684
  speaker: barron
  en: Curing the blind, the deaf, the lame, and the leprous, Jesus was Yahweh binding up the wounds of his people and restoring them to communion.
  zh: 医治瞎子、聋子、瘸子和麻风病人，耶稣是耶和华在缠裹他子民的伤口，使他们恢复共融。
- start: 864.575
  end: 869.559
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus turned upside down many of the social conventions of his time and place.
  zh: 耶稣颠覆了他那个时代和地方的许多社会习俗。
- start: 871.201
  end: 875.364
  speaker: barron
  en: In the Palestine of the first century, men didn't speak to women publicly.
  zh: 在一世纪的巴勒斯坦，男人不公开与女人说话。
- start: 875.845
  end: 878.867
  speaker: barron
  en: But Jesus spoke openly to the woman at the well.
  zh: 但耶稣公开与井边的妇人交谈。
- start: 880.148
  end: 885.472
  speaker: barron
  en: A pious Jew of that time would have been rendered ritually unclean by touching a dead body.
  zh: 那时虔诚的犹太人若触摸尸体，就会成为不洁净。
- start: 886.734
  end: 891.898
  speaker: barron
  en: But Jesus touches the dead body of the daughter of Jairus as he raises her back to life.
  zh: 但耶稣触摸睚鲁女儿的尸体，使她复活。
- start: 893.553
  end: 898.838
  speaker: barron
  en: In Jesus' time, as in ours, places of honor were sought at public banquets.
  zh: 在耶稣的时代，如同在我们时代一样，人们在公共宴席上争取尊位。
- start: 899.459
  end: 903.102
  speaker: barron
  en: But Jesus told his disciples to take the lowest places.
  zh: 但耶稣告诉他的门徒要坐在末位。
- start: 905.765
  end: 912.552
  speaker: barron
  en: All of this was in service of building up the kingdom, gathering in the tribes.
  zh: 这一切都是为了建立神的国，聚集支派。
- start: 955.407
  end: 955.407
  speaker: barron
  en: Thank you.
  zh: 谢谢。
- start: 955.407
  end: 962.789
  speaker: barron
  en: We're looking down at one of the most sacred places on the planet, the Temple Mount, sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
  zh: 我们俯瞰地球上最神圣的地方之一，圣殿山，对犹太人、基督徒和穆斯林来说都是圣地。
- start: 963.049
  end: 975.853
  speaker: barron
  en: It is such a holy place because for a thousand years, right in that spot, where now you see the beautiful Muslim sanctuary of the Dome of the Rock, on that spot was the great temple to Yahweh, the God of the Israelites.
  zh: 之所以如此神圣，是因为在那地方，现在你看到美丽的穆斯林圣所岩石圆顶，曾经有耶和华，以色列人的神的伟大圣殿。
- start: 975.853
  end: 981.095
  speaker: barron
  en: It was the center of Israelite liturgical, religious, and cultural life.
  zh: 它是以色列人礼仪、宗教和文化生活的中心。
- start: 981.618
  end: 986.223
  speaker: barron
  en: Well, to that place, at the climax of his life, came Jesus.
  zh: 在他生命的高潮时刻，耶稣来到那里。
- start: 986.223
  end: 999.597
  speaker: barron
  en: He took a rope of cords, the Gospel said, and he drove out the money changers, turned over the tables, and then he said, "I will tear down this place and in three days rebuild it."
  zh: 福音书说，他拿绳子作鞭子，赶出兑换银钱的人，推倒他们的桌子，然后说：「你们拆毁这殿，我三日内要再建立起来。」
- start: 1000.358
  end: 1004.059
  speaker: barron
  en: Well, it would be hard to imagine, in our terms, what this was like.
  zh: 用我们的术语，很难想象这是什么样的情景。
- start: 1004.059
  end: 1010.582
  speaker: barron
  en: Because religion, society, and culture were so tightly bound in Jesus' time, this was upsetting everything.
  zh: 因为在耶稣的时代，宗教、社会和文化紧密相连，这颠覆了一切。
- start: 1010.582
  end: 1017.084
  speaker: barron
  en: This was the most radical sort of thing you could do, and it's probably what led most directly to Jesus' crucifixion.
  zh: 这是你能做的最激进的事情，这可能最直接导致了耶稣的被钉十字架。
- start: 1017.304
  end: 1019.705
  speaker: barron
  en: Well, what in the world was he doing?
  zh: 那么，他到底在做什么？
- start: 1019.925
  end: 1021.625
  speaker: barron
  en: What did these words mean?
  zh: 这些话是什么意思？
- start: 1021.965
  end: 1026.587
  speaker: barron
  en: To understand it more fully, we have to understand what the temple meant.
  zh: 要更全面地理解，我们必须明白圣殿的意义。
- start: 1031.309
  end: 1039.838
  speaker: barron
  en: Once again, we recall that ancient Israel expected Yahweh to cleanse the temples, to gather his people in to write praise.
  zh: 我们再次想起，古代以色列人期望耶和华洁净圣殿，聚集他的子民来书写赞美。
- start: 1041.119
  end: 1047.485
  speaker: barron
  en: 'A simple but very significant spiritual teaching is this: we become what we worship.'
  zh: 一个简单但非常重要的属灵教导是：我们成为什么，就取决于我们所敬拜的。
- start: 1047.981
  end: 1051.543
  speaker: barron
  en: We conform ourselves to what we consider the highest good.
  zh: 我们使自己与我们认为的最高善相一致。
- start: 1053.885
  end: 1058.648
  speaker: barron
  en: God wanted his people to praise him so that they might become like him.
  zh: 神要他的子民赞美他，使他们能像他。
- start: 1060.529
  end: 1067.374
  speaker: barron
  en: This is why the Jerusalem temple, the place where Yahweh was worshipped, was so central to ancient Israel.
  zh: 这就是为什么耶路撒冷的圣殿，耶和华受敬拜的地方，对古代以色列如此重要。
- start: 1067.774
  end: 1076.56
  speaker: barron
  en: The hope was that all the nations of the world would be attracted to God precisely through the right worship of the Israelites.
  zh: 希望是通过以色列人正确的敬拜，吸引世界上所有的国家归向神。
- start: 1077.398
  end: 1080.041
  speaker: barron
  en: The prophet Isaiah put it this way.
  zh: 先知以赛亚这样说。
- start: 1080.902
  end: 1089.325
  speaker: barron
  en: The mountain of the Lord of hosts will be raised above the other mountains, and to it all people will stream.
  zh: 万军之耶和华的殿必建立在诸山之顶，万民都要流归这山。
- start: 1092.368
  end: 1097.612
  speaker: barron
  en: But the Israelites fell again and again into the worship of false gods.
  zh: 但以色列人一次又一次地陷入拜假神的罪中。
- start: 1098.072
  end: 1105.097
  speaker: barron
  en: Sometimes the gods of the surrounding nations, but also the gods of wealth, power, nationalism, and pleasure.
  zh: 有时是周围国家的神，也有财富、权力、民族主义和享乐的神。
- start: 1105.578
  end: 1112.222
  speaker: barron
  en: And this is why the great prophets continually summon the nation back to the worship of the true God.
  zh: 这就是为什么伟大的先知不断召唤国家回到对真神的敬拜。
- start: 1112.958
  end: 1119.042
  speaker: barron
  en: The false worship of Israel came to be symbolized for the prophets in the corruption of the Jerusalem temple.
  zh: 以色列的假敬拜在先知们看来，象征着耶路撒冷圣殿的腐败。
- start: 1119.723
  end: 1126.407
  speaker: barron
  en: Ezekiel imagined that God's glory had left his temple and would one day return when the place was purified.
  zh: 以西结想象神的荣耀已经离开他的殿，等到圣殿被洁净时，有一天会再回来。
- start: 1126.407
  end: 1132.291
  speaker: barron
  en: And when it did, water would flow from its side for the renewal of the world.
  zh: 当它回来时，水将从殿中流出，更新世界。
- start: 1135.393
  end: 1141.557
  speaker: barron
  en: Now we can begin to understand some of Jesus' enigmatic sayings and actions in regard to the temple.
  zh: 现在我们可以开始理解耶稣关于圣殿的一些难解的话语和行动。
- start: 1142.728
  end: 1156.492
  speaker: barron
  en: When he said in reference to himself, "You have a greater than the temple here," he was designating himself as the new place of worship, as the temple where divinity and humanity meet.
  zh: 当他说「在这里有一人比殿更大」时，他是在指自己为新的敬拜之所，是神性与人性相会的殿。
- start: 1158.753
  end: 1165.795
  speaker: barron
  en: When he cleansed the temple, he was not simply a 1960s-style radical railing against the establishment.
  zh: 当他洁净圣殿时，他不仅仅是像六十年代的激进分子那样反对体制。
- start: 1166.303
  end: 1173.746
  speaker: barron
  en: He was pronouncing judgment on the old temple and establishing himself as the new place of right praise.
  zh: 他是在宣告对旧殿的审判，并确立自己为新的正当敬拜之所。
- start: 1175.787
  end: 1184.99
  speaker: barron
  en: In John's Gospel, Jesus specifies that after destroying the old temple, he would, in three days, rebuild it.
  zh: 在约翰福音中，耶稣明确表示，拆毁旧殿后，他要三日内重建。
- start: 1185.731
  end: 1188.872
  speaker: barron
  en: He was referring to the temple of his body.
  zh: 他指的是他身体的殿。
- start: 1191.445
  end: 1199.651
  speaker: barron
  en: After Jesus' crucifixion, when the Roman soldier pierced Jesus' side, blood and water flowed out.
  zh: 耶稣被钉十字架后，罗马兵丁用枪扎他的肋旁，就有血和水流出来。
- start: 1201.373
  end: 1214.684
  speaker: barron
  en: This represents the fulfillment of Ezekiel's great prophecy, that when the glory of Yahweh would return to the temple, water would flow from its side for the restoration of the world.
  zh: 这代表了以西结伟大预言的应验：当耶和华的荣耀回到殿中时，水将从殿中流出，恢复世界。
- start: 1220.111
  end: 1225.613
  speaker: barron
  en: Probably the main point to realize is that Jesus himself is the new temple.
  zh: 主要要明白的是，耶稣自己就是新殿。
- start: 1225.713
  end: 1231.615
  speaker: barron
  en: He says, "I'll tear down this old one and in three days rebuild it," talking about the temple of his own body.
  zh: 他说：「你们拆毁这殿，我三日内要再建立起来」，指的是他身体的殿。
- start: 1231.635
  end: 1237.817
  speaker: barron
  en: So Jesus, risen from the dead and now the Lord of the church, remains the place of right praise.
  zh: 所以复活的耶稣，如今作为教会的主，仍是正当敬拜之所。
- start: 1237.817
  end: 1240.338
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus is himself pure.
  zh: 耶稣自己是纯洁的。
- start: 1240.338
  end: 1243.499
  speaker: barron
  en: Now the church participates in that.
  zh: 现在教会参与其中。
- start: 1243.499
  end: 1246.46
  speaker: barron
  en: The church shares in the lordship of Jesus.
  zh: 教会分享耶稣的主权。
- start: 1246.46
  end: 1255.145
  speaker: barron
  en: And so in its sacraments, in its saints, in its essential structures, the church also remains pure, the place of right praise.
  zh: 因此，在其圣事、圣徒和基本结构中，教会也保持纯洁，成为正当敬拜之所。
- start: 1255.226
  end: 1258.789
  speaker: barron
  en: But the church is also made up of sinful human beings.
  zh: 但教会也由有罪的人组成。
- start: 1258.789
  end: 1265.153
  speaker: barron
  en: So up and down the centuries, you're going to see lots of bad behavior, lots of corruption, lots of negativity.
  zh: 所以在几个世纪中，你会看到许多不良行为，许多腐败，许多负面现象。
- start: 1265.274
  end: 1269.196
  speaker: barron
  en: Paul says we hold this treasure in earthen vessels.
  zh: 保罗说，我们有这宝贝放在瓦器里。
- start: 1269.196
  end: 1273.26
  speaker: barron
  en: So the treasure is Christ, who himself is the new temple.
  zh: 这宝贝就是基督，他自己是新殿。
- start: 1273.26
  end: 1276.662
  speaker: barron
  en: The treasure are the sacraments, the liturgy, the saints.
  zh: 宝贝是圣事、礼仪、圣徒。
- start: 1276.894
  end: 1280.038
  speaker: barron
  en: But they're held in these weak, fragile vessels.
  zh: 但它们被放在这些软弱、易碎的器皿中。
- start: 1280.179
  end: 1281.581
  speaker: barron
  en: That's where the corruption comes in.
  zh: 这就是腐败的来源。
- start: 1281.581
  end: 1285.626
  speaker: barron
  en: And yes, that church always needs to be cleansed.
  zh: 是的，那教会总是需要被洁净。
- start: 1285.647
  end: 1289.893
  speaker: barron
  en: And it's Christ operating within the church who effectively cleanses it.
  zh: 是基督在教会中运行，有效地洁净它。
- start: 1311.691
  end: 1318.371
  speaker: barron
  en: One of the most evocative themes in the Old Testament is the portrayal of God as a warrior.
  zh: 旧约中最引人注目的主题之一是将神描绘为战士。
- start: 1319.332
  end: 1322.154
  speaker: barron
  en: Yahweh fights against the enemies of Israel.
  zh: 耶和华与以色列的敌人争战。
- start: 1323.916
  end: 1328.259
  speaker: barron
  en: Nevertheless, Israel was not the supreme nation of the world.
  zh: 然而，以色列并不是世界上至高的国家。
- start: 1328.44
  end: 1345.392
  speaker: barron
  en: On the contrary, it was, in the course of its history, enslaved by Egypt, attacked by the Philistines, exiled by the Assyrians and the Babylonians, overrun by the Greeks and the Romans.
  zh: 相反，在其历史过程中，它被埃及奴役，被非利士人攻击，被亚述人和巴比伦人掳掠，被希腊人和罗马人占领。
- start: 1345.892
  end: 1356.294
  speaker: barron
  en: And so Israelites began to dream that one day God would definitively battle the enemies of the nation and make it the dominant power in the world.
  zh: 因此，以色列人开始梦想有一天神会最终与国家的敌人争战，使它成为世界的主导力量。
- start: 1357.395
  end: 1366.277
  speaker: barron
  en: And so we shouldn't be the least bit surprised that when Jesus comes, speaking and acting in the very person of God, He comes to fight.
  zh: 所以，当耶稣以神的身份来临，说话行事时，我们不应感到丝毫惊讶，他是来争战的。
- start: 1368.376
  end: 1371.457
  speaker: barron
  en: But what a strange warrior he was.
  zh: 但他是多么奇特的战士。
- start: 1390.602
  end: 1394.663
  speaker: barron
  en: Our first glimpse of Jesus the fighter is at Bethlehem, in the stable over which the Church of the Nativity stands today.
  zh: 我们第一次看到战士耶稣是在伯利恒，在今天圣诞教堂所在的马槽里。
- start: 1398.725
  end: 1402.366
  speaker: barron
  en: The Christmas story is not just a charming tale we tell to children.
  zh: 圣诞故事不仅仅是我们讲给孩子们的迷人故事。
- start: 1403.246
  end: 1408.128
  speaker: barron
  en: It's full of this motif of Jesus the warrior, the one who's come to fight.
  zh: 它充满了战士耶稣的主题，他是来争战的。
- start: 1410.329
  end: 1423.303
  speaker: barron
  en: C.S. Lewis, the great English writer, said that Jesus came so quietly in this unobtrusive way because he was meant to slip clandestinely behind enemy lines.
  zh: 伟大的英国作家C.S.路易斯说，耶稣如此安静地来到，是因为他要秘密潜入敌后。
- start: 1459.413
  end: 1459.413
  speaker: barron
  en: Thank you.
  zh: 谢谢。
- start: 1459.413
  end: 1465.838
  speaker: barron
  en: If we look in Luke's account of the Nativity, we see these warrior motifs quite clearly.
  zh: 如果我们看路加对圣诞的记载，我们会清楚地看到这些战士的主题。
- start: 1468.36
  end: 1469.801
  speaker: barron
  en: How did that story open up?
  zh: 那故事是如何开始的？
- start: 1470.316
  end: 1482.486
  speaker: barron
  en: By invoking two of the most powerful people of the time, they said, "While Quirinius was the governor of Syria, and when Caesar Augustus was the king of the world, a census was called."
  zh: 提到当时最有权势的两个人：「当居里扭作叙利亚巡抚的时候，凯撒奥古斯都下令要登记户口。」
- start: 1482.966
  end: 1487.85
  speaker: barron
  en: Quirinius, Caesar Augustus, two of the most prominent, powerful people in the ancient world.
  zh: 居里扭，凯撒奥古斯都，古代世界中最显赫、最有权势的两个人。
- start: 1487.85
  end: 1493.735
  speaker: barron
  en: Well, that's how you'd expect great poems and stories in the ancient world to begin, by invoking the high and mighty.
  zh: 这正是你所期望的古代伟大诗篇和故事的开头，提到那些高高在上的人。
- start: 1494.031
  end: 1501.158
  speaker: barron
  en: But then St. Luke pulls the rug out from under us because he says, "My story is not primarily about them.
  zh: 但圣路加让我们大吃一惊，因为他说：「我的故事主要不是关于他们。
- start: 1501.558
  end: 1503.1
  speaker: barron
  en: My story is about this."
  zh: 我的故事是关于这个。」
- start: 1503.724
  end: 1508.346
  speaker: barron
  en: A couple making their way from one dusty outpost of Augustus's empire to another.
  zh: 一对夫妇从奥古斯都帝国的一个偏远小镇赶往另一个。
- start: 1508.346
  end: 1511.587
  speaker: barron
  en: About Mary and Joseph coming here to Bethlehem.
  zh: 关于马利亚和约瑟来到这里的伯利恒。
- start: 1511.767
  end: 1522.111
  speaker: barron
  en: 'And the story will unfold now as a tale of two emperors: Augustus in Rome and the true and new emperor, Christ Jesus.'
  zh: 这个故事将展开为两个皇帝的故事：罗马的奥古斯都和真正的新皇帝，基督耶稣。
- start: 1526.653
  end: 1530.174
  speaker: barron
  en: We hear that Mary came to Bethlehem, to this place.
  zh: 我们听说马利亚来到伯利恒，来到这个地方。
- start: 1530.652
  end: 1532.632
  speaker: barron
  en: There was no room at the inn.
  zh: 客店里没有地方。
- start: 1533.473
  end: 1538.934
  speaker: barron
  en: So he was born in a cave, a stable, with the animals around him.
  zh: 所以他生在一个洞穴里，一个马槽里，周围有牲畜。
- start: 1539.915
  end: 1543.336
  speaker: barron
  en: Who was the best protected person in the ancient world?
  zh: 古代世界中保护最周全的人是谁？
- start: 1543.696
  end: 1545.857
  speaker: barron
  en: It had to be Caesar Augustus in Rome.
  zh: 必定是罗马的凯撒奥古斯都。
- start: 1546.877
  end: 1550.938
  speaker: barron
  en: But the true emperor, the new emperor, arrives unprotected.
  zh: 但真正的新皇帝却毫无保护地来到。
- start: 1552.019
  end: 1556.5
  speaker: barron
  en: Imagine a newborn baby, too weak even to hold up his own head.
  zh: 想象一个新生婴儿，甚至连自己的头都抬不起来。
- start: 1557.02
  end: 1564.426
  speaker: barron
  en: And now wrapped up in swaddling clothes, can you imagine an image of greater weakness, vulnerability?
  zh: 现在被包在布里，你能想象比这更软弱、更脆弱的形象吗？
- start: 1564.426
  end: 1569.09
  speaker: barron
  en: Who would be the most powerful person in the ancient world?
  zh: 古代世界中最有权势的人是谁？
- start: 1569.53
  end: 1571.352
  speaker: barron
  en: Caesar Augustus in Rome.
  zh: 罗马的凯撒奥古斯都。
- start: 1573.274
  end: 1582.181
  speaker: barron
  en: The new emperor, the true emperor, not powerful in that worldly way, but someone who's willing to be wrapped up and vulnerable in love.
  zh: 新皇帝，真正的皇帝，不是以世俗的方式强大，而是愿意在爱中被包裹、显得脆弱。
- start: 1585.666
  end: 1587.688
  speaker: barron
  en: Who is the best-fed person in the ancient world?
  zh: 古代世界中吃得最好的人是谁？
- start: 1587.688
  end: 1590.009
  speaker: barron
  en: It had to have been Caesar Augustus.
  zh: 必定是凯撒奥古斯都。
- start: 1590.009
  end: 1592.912
  speaker: barron
  en: Snap his fingers, get any sensual pleasure he wanted.
  zh: 他只需打个响指，就能得到任何他想要的感官享受。
- start: 1592.912
  end: 1595.974
  speaker: barron
  en: And most of us would think that's essential to the good life.
  zh: 我们大多数人会认为这是美好生活的必需。
- start: 1596.014
  end: 1607.142
  speaker: barron
  en: But the true emperor, the new emperor, is not one who is fed, but who becomes food for the world, placed in that manger where the animals eat.
  zh: 但真正的新皇帝不是被喂养的，而是成为世界的食物，被放在牲畜吃食的马槽里。
- start: 1608.904
  end: 1610.725
  speaker: barron
  en: One more detail from that story.
  zh: 再讲一个故事的细节。
- start: 1611.066
  end: 1615.729
  speaker: barron
  en: We hear that an angel appeared to shepherds in these hills surrounding Bethlehem.
  zh: 我们听说有天使向伯利恒周围山上的牧羊人显现。
- start: 1616.618
  end: 1618.639
  speaker: barron
  en: Don't get romantic about the angels.
  zh: 不要对天使产生浪漫的幻想。
- start: 1620.3
  end: 1624.222
  speaker: barron
  en: The typical reaction to an angel in the Bible was fear.
  zh: 圣经中对天使的典型反应是恐惧。
- start: 1624.702
  end: 1630.985
  speaker: barron
  en: Imagine this reality from another dimension, this higher power suddenly breaking into this world.
  zh: 想象来自另一个维度的现实，这更高的力量突然闯入这个世界。
- start: 1630.985
  end: 1632.726
  speaker: barron
  en: Fear is the proper reaction.
  zh: 恐惧是恰当的反应。
- start: 1633.331
  end: 1640.396
  speaker: barron
  en: The angel announces the good news, and then it says, with that angel there appeared a stratios of angels.
  zh: 天使报了好消息，然后说，与那天使一同出现了天军。
- start: 1640.476
  end: 1645.04
  speaker: barron
  en: We often translate that word as host, but that word means army.
  zh: 我们常将这个词译为「天军」，但它的意思是「军队」。
- start: 1645.04
  end: 1648.062
  speaker: barron
  en: Our words strategy and strategic come from that.
  zh: 我们的词「战略」和「策略」就源于此。
- start: 1648.082
  end: 1651.564
  speaker: barron
  en: With that angel there appeared an army of angels.
  zh: 与那天使一同出现了一支天使的军队。
- start: 1653.646
  end: 1656.488
  speaker: barron
  en: Who had the biggest army in the ancient world?
  zh: 古代世界中谁拥有最大的军队？
- start: 1656.883
  end: 1659.745
  speaker: barron
  en: Caesar Augustus, which is why he was able to dominate it.
  zh: 凯撒奥古斯都，这就是他能统治世界的原因。
- start: 1659.745
  end: 1661.226
  speaker: barron
  en: You see what Luke is saying?
  zh: 你明白路加在说什么吗？
- start: 1661.387
  end: 1674.757
  speaker: barron
  en: His army is nothing compared to the army of this baby king, this stratios, this army of angels, who will fight not with the puny weapons of the world, but will fight with courage and with justice and with nonviolence.
  zh: 他的军队与这婴孩王的军队相比算不了什么，这天军，这天使的军队，不用世俗的武器，而是以勇气、公义和非暴力争战。
- start: 1674.757
  end: 1678.14
  speaker: barron
  en: But the baby king has got the bigger army.
  zh: 但这婴孩王拥有更大的军队。
- start: 1682.034
  end: 1688.681
  speaker: barron
  en: There's a line in the prophet Isaiah that says, when the Messiah comes, it'll be like Yahweh bearing his holy arm.
  zh: 先知以赛亚有一句话说，当弥赛亚来临时，就像耶和华露出他圣洁的膀臂。
- start: 1688.681
  end: 1693.565
  speaker: barron
  en: That meant rolling up his sleeve and bearing his powerful arm for conquest.
  zh: 这意味着卷起袖子，露出他强有力的膀臂来征服。
- start: 1693.946
  end: 1695.587
  speaker: barron
  en: Here's a great detail.
  zh: 这里有一个伟大的细节。
- start: 1695.628
  end: 1702.134
  speaker: barron
  en: That holy arm of Yahweh is the arm of the baby Jesus coming out of the crib.
  zh: 耶和华的圣臂就是婴孩耶稣从马槽中伸出的手臂。
- start: 1702.274
  end: 1705.917
  speaker: barron
  en: Who would have expected the power of God to arrive in that way?
  zh: 谁能想到神的能力会以这样的方式降临？
- start: 1706.764
  end: 1714.876
  speaker: barron
  en: But the battle that begins here, this lining up of the two emperors, comes to its fulfillment on the cross.
  zh: 但从这里开始的战斗，这两个皇帝的对峙，在十字架上得到了实现。
- start: 1714.957
  end: 1721.026
  speaker: barron
  en: And it's there that this baby king, now come of age, will engage in his final battle.
  zh: 在那里，这位长大成人的婴孩王将进行他的最后一战。
- start: 1726.246
  end: 1730.148
  speaker: barron
  en: Part of the poetry of the Bible is that God is so unexpected.
  zh: 圣经的诗意之一是神如此出人意料。
- start: 1730.168
  end: 1732.109
  speaker: barron
  en: That God is love.
  zh: 神就是爱。
- start: 1732.169
  end: 1733.43
  speaker: barron
  en: That's a strange message.
  zh: 这是一个奇特的信息。
- start: 1733.43
  end: 1735.511
  speaker: barron
  en: That's not a common message at all.
  zh: 这绝不是一个常见的信息。
- start: 1735.511
  end: 1739.433
  speaker: barron
  en: That God would be powerful and lordly and judgmental.
  zh: 神是强大、威严和审判的。
- start: 1739.433
  end: 1741.034
  speaker: barron
  en: That seems much more natural.
  zh: 这似乎更自然。
- start: 1741.054
  end: 1743.615
  speaker: barron
  en: That God is love and therefore self-emptying.
  zh: 神是爱，因此自我倒空。
- start: 1743.615
  end: 1747.657
  speaker: barron
  en: That God would come as a child is part of the grace and poetry of Christianity.
  zh: 神以婴孩的形象降临，是基督教恩典和诗意的一部分。
- start: 1748.318
  end: 1749.138
  speaker: barron
  en: They got that.
  zh: 他们明白了这一点。
- start: 1749.138
  end: 1750.819
  speaker: barron
  en: The first Christians saw that.
  zh: 最初的基督徒看到了这一点。
- start: 1750.859
  end: 1754.861
  speaker: barron
  en: And they kind of delighted, I think, in the poetry and the paradox of it.
  zh: 我想，他们在其中的诗意和悖论中得到了某种喜悦。
- start: 1818.417
  end: 1818.417
  speaker: barron
  en: Thank you.
  zh: 谢谢。
- start: 1818.417
  end: 1821.839
  speaker: barron
  en: On Palm Sunday, Jesus entered the holy city, hailed as the son of David.
  zh: 在棕树节，耶稣进入圣城，被称颂为大卫的子孙。
- start: 1822.66
  end: 1825.441
  speaker: barron
  en: He came as a Davidic warrior.
  zh: 他以大卫的战士身份来临。
- start: 1827.923
  end: 1833.606
  speaker: barron
  en: Then, as we saw, he went up to the temple precincts, and there he picked a fight.
  zh: 然后，正如我们所见，他上了圣殿，在那里挑起争端。
- start: 1834.467
  end: 1855.53
  speaker: barron
  en: As Holy Week unfolded, it's as though all the powers that had opposed him from the time of his birth came out in full force to meet him.
  zh: 随着圣周的展开，似乎从他出生时起反对他的所有势力都全力以赴地来迎战他。
- start: 1855.53
  end: 1863.136
  speaker: barron
  en: The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem is built over the very sites of the crucifixion and burial of Jesus.
  zh: 耶路撒冷的圣墓教堂建在耶稣被钉十字架和埋葬的地方。
- start: 1865.378
  end: 1873.524
  speaker: barron
  en: It commemorates and preserves, therefore, the battlefield where Jesus the warrior engaged in his ultimate struggle.
  zh: 因此，它纪念并保存了战士耶稣进行最终斗争的战场。
- start: 1876.006
  end: 1885.65
  speaker: barron
  en: When you read those densely textured passion narratives in the Gospels, you see all forms of human dysfunction on display.
  zh: 当你阅读福音书中那些丰富的受难叙述时，你会看到各种形式的人性失常。
- start: 1886.411
  end: 1897.155
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus is met by hatred, by denial, by betrayal, by violence, by stupidity, by institutional injustice, by incomparable cruelty.
  zh: 耶稣遭遇了仇恨、否认、背叛、暴力、愚蠢、制度的不公和无比的残酷。
- start: 1897.155
  end: 1902.398
  speaker: barron
  en: It's as though all of human darkness comes out to meet Him.
  zh: 似乎所有的人性黑暗都出来迎战他。
- start: 1903.498
  end: 1907.701
  speaker: barron
  en: And here, on Mount Calvary, he does this final battle.
  zh: 在这里，在各各他山上，他进行这最后的战斗。
- start: 1909.023
  end: 1912.365
  speaker: barron
  en: But he responds not with more violence.
  zh: 但他没有以更多的暴力回应。
- start: 1912.646
  end: 1917.59
  speaker: barron
  en: Rather, he allows all of this darkness to wash over him.
  zh: 相反，他让这一切黑暗涌向他。
- start: 1917.59
  end: 1922.633
  speaker: barron
  en: He takes upon himself the sins of the world.
  zh: 他承担了世人的罪。
- start: 1922.854
  end: 1927.497
  speaker: barron
  en: And he says, "Father, forgive them.
  zh: 他说：「父啊，赦免他们。
- start: 1927.898
  end: 1929.358
  speaker: barron
  en: They know not what they do."
  zh: 因为他们所做的，他们不晓得。」
- start: 1931.101
  end: 1945.253
  speaker: barron
  en: It's as though on the cross, Jesus interrupts that terrible play of violence and counter-violence, of vengeance and counter-vengeance, which has bedeviled the human race from the beginning.
  zh: 似乎在十字架上，耶稣中断了那从一开始就困扰人类的暴力与反暴力、复仇与反复仇的可怕循环。
- start: 1945.253
  end: 1953.719
  speaker: barron
  en: It's as though God the Father takes that cross and He puts it in the works to interrupt this terrible process.
  zh: 似乎圣父拿起那十字架，将它置于运作中，以中断这个可怕的过程。
- start: 1955.801
  end: 1962.045
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus takes away the sins of the world, and that's how He fights.
  zh: 耶稣除去世人的罪，这就是他争战的方式。
- start: 1986.796
  end: 1988.557
  speaker: SPEAKER_01
  en: Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia.
  zh: 哈利路亚，哈利路亚，哈利路亚，哈利路亚。
- start: 2043.511
  end: 2043.511
  speaker: barron
  en: Amen.
  zh: 阿们。
- start: 2043.511
  end: 2043.511
  speaker: barron
  en: Amen.
  zh: 阿们。
- start: 2043.511
  end: 2043.511
  speaker: barron
  en: Amen.
  zh: 阿们。
- start: 2043.511
  end: 2043.511
  speaker: barron
  en: Amen.
  zh: 阿们。
- start: 2043.511
  end: 2043.511
  speaker: barron
  en: What prevents us from saying that Jesus wasn't simply a failed revolutionary?
  zh: 是什么阻止我们说耶稣只是一个失败的革命者？
- start: 2043.511
  end: 2049.613
  speaker: barron
  en: An inspiring idealist, but, as Albert Schweitzer said, ground under by the wheel of history.
  zh: 一个鼓舞人心的理想主义者，但如阿尔伯特·施韦泽所说，被历史的车轮碾碎。
- start: 2052.975
  end: 2061.158
  speaker: barron
  en: What prevents us from saying that is the stubborn and unnerving fact of the resurrection.
  zh: 阻止我们这样说的是复活这个顽强而令人不安的事实。
- start: 2061.897
  end: 2075.367
  speaker: barron
  en: The New Testament scholar N.T. Wright says, simply from a historical standpoint, it's practically impossible to explain the emergence of Christianity as a messianic movement apart from the resurrection.
  zh: 新约学者N.T.赖特说，仅从历史角度来看，若没有复活，几乎无法解释基督教作为弥赛亚运动的兴起。
- start: 2076.201
  end: 2085.543
  speaker: barron
  en: If you wanted the clearest indication that someone was not the Messiah of Israel, it would be his death at the hands of Israel's enemy.
  zh: 如果你想要最明确的迹象表明某人不是以色列的弥赛亚，那就是他死于以色列敌人的手中。
- start: 2085.703
  end: 2088.444
  speaker: barron
  en: We've seen the Messiah was supposed to gather the tribes.
  zh: 我们看到弥赛亚应当聚集支派。
- start: 2088.444
  end: 2091.604
  speaker: barron
  en: He was supposed to lead the nation and defeat the enemies of Israel.
  zh: 他应当领导国家，击败以色列的敌人。
- start: 2091.604
  end: 2099.346
  speaker: barron
  en: Therefore, the clearest indication possible that someone was not the Messiah was that he was crucified by the Romans.
  zh: 因此，最明确的迹象表明某人不是弥赛亚，就是他被罗马人钉在十字架上。
- start: 2100.626
  end: 2103.831
  speaker: barron
  en: In the year 132, Bar Kokhba led a revolution.
  zh: 公元132年，巴尔·科赫巴领导了一场革命。
- start: 2103.831
  end: 2105.493
  speaker: barron
  en: Many said he was the Messiah.
  zh: 许多人说他是弥赛亚。
- start: 2105.493
  end: 2109.219
  speaker: barron
  en: They minted coins saying "Year One of Bar Kokhba."
  zh: 他们铸造了「巴尔·科赫巴元年」的硬币。
- start: 2109.821
  end: 2115.982
  speaker: barron
  en: His revolution was put down, he was put to death by the Romans, and nobody thinks he is the Messiah.
  zh: 他的革命被镇压，他被罗马人处死，没有人认为他是弥赛亚。
- start: 2117.122
  end: 2122.023
  speaker: barron
  en: Yet these first Christians proclaim precisely that.
  zh: 然而这些最初的基督徒正是这样宣告。
- start: 2122.904
  end: 2131.305
  speaker: barron
  en: Paul says, "Jesus Christos," Jesus Christos, simply his Greek version of Yeshua Mashiach, Jesus the Messiah.
  zh: 保罗说：「耶稣基督」，耶稣基督，就是希腊文的耶稣弥赛亚。
- start: 2131.505
  end: 2137.947
  speaker: barron
  en: The first disciples went to their deaths; they went to the ends of the world proclaiming that he is the Messiah of the Jews.
  zh: 最初的门徒为此殉道；他们走遍世界，宣告他是犹太人的弥赛亚。
- start: 2138.187
  end: 2144.809
  speaker: barron
  en: How can you explain that apart from this fact of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead?
  zh: 若没有耶稣从死里复活的事实，你如何解释这一切？
- start: 2147.633
  end: 2151.517
  speaker: barron
  en: Far too many contemporary scholars try to explain away the resurrection.
  zh: 太多当代学者试图解释复活为虚无。
- start: 2151.979
  end: 2159.487
  speaker: barron
  en: Oh, it's a myth, it's a legend, it's a symbol, it's a sign that Jesus' cause goes on, that he's a great man who now lives with God.
  zh: 哦，那是个神话，是个传说，是个象征，是耶稣事业延续的标志，他是个伟人，现在与神同在。
- start: 2160.399
  end: 2161.28
  speaker: barron
  en: Come on.
  zh: 拜托。
- start: 2161.28
  end: 2164.804
  speaker: barron
  en: Nobody in the first century would have found any of that the least bit convincing.
  zh: 一世纪的人没有一个会觉得这些说法有丝毫说服力。
- start: 2164.804
  end: 2171.97
  speaker: barron
  en: Can you imagine Paul tearing into Corinth and saying, "I want to proclaim a dead man who's very inspiring?"
  zh: 你能想象保罗冲进哥林多说：「我要宣讲一个非常鼓舞人心的死人」吗？
- start: 2172.211
  end: 2173.773
  speaker: barron
  en: No one would have taken him seriously.
  zh: 没有人会认真对待他。
- start: 2173.773
  end: 2180.799
  speaker: barron
  en: Instead, what Paul said in Corinth over and over again was, "Anastasis, Anastasis, resurrection, resurrection."
  zh: 相反，保罗在哥林多反复说的是：「复活，复活。」
- start: 2180.799
  end: 2184.242
  speaker: barron
  en: That was the first great Christian message.
  zh: 那是第一个伟大的基督教信息。
- start: 2186.087
  end: 2190.953
  speaker: barron
  en: The Gospels tell us that the risen Jesus appeared to the disciples in the upper room.
  zh: 福音书告诉我们，复活的耶稣向楼房里的门徒显现。
- start: 2190.953
  end: 2192.154
  speaker: barron
  en: He did two things.
  zh: 他做了两件事。
- start: 2193.296
  end: 2195.498
  speaker: barron
  en: First, he showed his wounds.
  zh: 首先，他展示了他的伤口。
- start: 2197.06
  end: 2199.823
  speaker: barron
  en: Don't forget what the sin of the world did.
  zh: 不要忘记世人的罪行所造成的。
- start: 2201.165
  end: 2205.089
  speaker: barron
  en: But then he says, "Shalom.
  zh: 但随后他说：「愿你们平安。
- start: 2206.75
  end: 2207.711
  speaker: barron
  en: Peace."
  zh: 平安。」
- start: 2208.772
  end: 2211.934
  speaker: barron
  en: This is the peace that the world can't give.
  zh: 这是世界不能给予的平安。
- start: 2212.214
  end: 2217.458
  speaker: barron
  en: God's love is more powerful than our greatest enemies, which are sin and death.
  zh: 神的爱比我们最大的敌人——罪和死——更强大。
- start: 2218.099
  end: 2234.231
  speaker: barron
  en: This is precisely why Paul, once he had seen the risen Christ, could say, "I am certain that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither height nor depth, nor any other power can ever separate us from the love of God."
  zh: 这正是保罗见到复活的基督后能说：「我深信无论是死是生，是天使，是掌权的，是有能的，是现在的事，是将来的事，是高处的，是低处的，是别的受造之物，都不能叫我们与神的爱隔绝。」
- start: 2234.231
  end: 2235.672
  speaker: barron
  en: How does Paul know that?
  zh: 保罗怎么知道的？
- start: 2235.672
  end: 2238.273
  speaker: barron
  en: Because we killed God.
  zh: 因为我们杀了神。
- start: 2240.035
  end: 2243.018
  speaker: barron
  en: And God returned in forgiving love.
  zh: 而神以赦免的爱回来。
- start: 2265.498
  end: 2278.627
  speaker: barron
  en: We're seeing the installation of the Latin patriarch, so the one who's the bishop of this church, which in some ways is the mother church of all of Christianity, and that they're marching in in this military way into this church of nonviolence.
  zh: 我们看到拉丁宗主教的就职典礼，他是这座教堂的主教，这教堂在某种程度上是整个基督教的母堂，他们以这种军事方式进入这非暴力的教堂。
- start: 2278.627
  end: 2282.99
  speaker: barron
  en: So Jesus the warrior won his battle, but by fighting sin and death.
  zh: 所以战士耶稣赢得了他的战斗，但他是通过对抗罪和死亡。
- start: 2283.11
  end: 2287.874
  speaker: barron
  en: And so it's kind of beautiful and appropriate that we accompany that with a military march.
  zh: 因此，我们以军乐伴随这仪式，显得既美丽又恰当。
- start: 2287.874
  end: 2290.216
  speaker: barron
  en: But it's not the customary manner.
  zh: 但这并不是惯常的方式。
- start: 2290.216
  end: 2295.9
  speaker: barron
  en: It's this new way of fighting that was won right here on this spot.
  zh: 正是在这里，这种新的战斗方式取得了胜利。
- start: 2301.592
  end: 2306.716
  speaker: barron
  en: I just love that image of Jesus the warrior because he's a weird warrior.
  zh: 我就是喜欢战士耶稣的形象，因为他是个奇特的战士。
- start: 2306.716
  end: 2311.179
  speaker: barron
  en: He's a very unusual warrior, not in the expected way, but he's come to fight.
  zh: 他是个非常不寻常的战士，不是以预期的方式，但他是来争战的。
- start: 2311.179
  end: 2316.443
  speaker: barron
  en: He's come to fight the power of evil and the power of violence, the power of hatred.
  zh: 他来对抗邪恶的力量、暴力的力量、仇恨的力量。
- start: 2316.443
  end: 2319.785
  speaker: barron
  en: And the great revelation is that he fights with the weapon of the cross.
  zh: 伟大的启示是他用十字架的武器争战。
- start: 2321.246
  end: 2324.827
  speaker: barron
  en: And there's this mano a mano with Pontius Pilate going on.
  zh: 他与本丢·彼拉多进行了一场对决。
- start: 2324.827
  end: 2327.148
  speaker: barron
  en: And we saw that from the very beginning.
  zh: 我们从一开始就看到了。
- start: 2327.228
  end: 2330.109
  speaker: barron
  en: It's Jesus and the Roman Emperor kind of going mano a mano.
  zh: 是耶稣与罗马皇帝的对决。
- start: 2330.109
  end: 2332.85
  speaker: barron
  en: And at the end, Pilate thinks he's won.
  zh: 最后，彼拉多以为他赢了。
- start: 2332.97
  end: 2336.071
  speaker: barron
  en: But in fact, it's Pilate who's been overwhelmed by the power of the cross.
  zh: 但事实上，是彼拉多被十字架的力量所压倒。
- start: 2336.131
  end: 2339.272
  speaker: barron
  en: And that's proclaimed all over the world whenever the cross is held up.
  zh: 每当十字架被高举时，这就在全世界被宣告。
- start: 2339.392
  end: 2340.373
  speaker: barron
  en: Because a cross?
  zh: 因为十字架？
- start: 2340.373
  end: 2341.773
  speaker: barron
  en: Why would you hold up a cross?
  zh: 你为什么要高举十字架？
- start: 2341.973
  end: 2344.934
  speaker: barron
  en: If you're in the first century and you're holding up a cross, they think you're out of your mind.
  zh: 如果你在一世纪高举十字架，他们会认为你疯了。
- start: 2344.934
  end: 2347.215
  speaker: barron
  en: They think you're a lunatic.
  zh: 他们会认为你是个疯子。
- start: 2347.215
  end: 2349.936
  speaker: barron
  en: You're holding up this brutal instrument of torture.
  zh: 你高举这个残酷的刑具。
- start: 2350.199
  end: 2351.34
  speaker: barron
  en: But that's just an irony.
  zh: 但这正是讽刺。
- start: 2351.34
  end: 2352.802
  speaker: barron
  en: It's an in-your-face.
  zh: 这是对抗。
- start: 2352.802
  end: 2354.163
  speaker: barron
  en: And it's a taunt.
  zh: 这是嘲讽。
- start: 2354.324
  end: 2355.125
  speaker: barron
  en: It's a taunt.
  zh: 这是嘲讽。
- start: 2355.125
  end: 2356.186
  speaker: barron
  en: Like, you think death scares us?
  zh: 就像，你以为死亡能吓倒我们？
- start: 2356.186
  end: 2357.527
  speaker: barron
  en: You think we're afraid of that?
  zh: 你以为我们害怕吗？
- start: 2357.628
  end: 2358.469
  speaker: barron
  en: The whole world's afraid of that.
  zh: 全世界都害怕。
- start: 2358.469
  end: 2360.03
  speaker: barron
  en: That's the most frightening thing you can imagine.
  zh: 那是你能想象的最可怕的事。
- start: 2360.03
  end: 2361.432
  speaker: barron
  en: And we're saying, "I'm not afraid of it.
  zh: 而我们说：「我不怕。
- start: 2361.432
  end: 2362.873
  speaker: barron
  en: Because God conquered it."
  zh: 因为神战胜了它。」
- start: 2404.994
  end: 2404.994
  speaker: barron
  en: Thank you.
  zh: 谢谢。
- start: 2404.994
  end: 2411.316
  speaker: barron
  en: In the light of the resurrection, the first Christians understood that there was a new king of the nations.
  zh: 在复活的光照下，最初的基督徒明白有一位新的万国之王。
- start: 2411.856
  end: 2417.419
  speaker: barron
  en: They therefore saw their task as announcing this fact to all the world.
  zh: 因此，他们认为自己的任务是向全世界宣告这个事实。
- start: 2423.323
  end: 2431.848
  speaker: barron
  en: If someone today had a message that he wanted to get out as widely as possible, he would head for New York or Los Angeles or London.
  zh: 如果今天有人想要尽可能广泛地传播一个信息，他会前往纽约、洛杉矶或伦敦。
- start: 2434.69
  end: 2439.412
  speaker: barron
  en: The first believers in Jesus went, with a similar hope, to Rome.
  zh: 最初的耶稣信徒带着类似的希望，前往罗马。
- start: 2456.532
  end: 2472.46
  speaker: barron
  en: In the Roman Forum stands the Arch of Titus, which was built to commemorate the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. You can see on the inside of the arch a depiction of Roman soldiers carrying the menorah from the temple.
  zh: 在罗马广场上矗立着提图斯凯旋门，为纪念公元70年罗马人毁灭耶路撒冷而建。你可以在拱门内看到罗马士兵抬着圣殿的灯台。
- start: 2473.433
  end: 2479.178
  speaker: barron
  en: Those soldiers and those who made the arch probably thought, "That's the end of the Jewish religion.
  zh: 那些士兵和建造拱门的人可能认为：「这就是犹太宗教的终结。
- start: 2479.799
  end: 2482.0
  speaker: barron
  en: That's the end of the God of Israel."
  zh: 这就是以色列神的终结。」
- start: 2486.805
  end: 2503.458
  speaker: barron
  en: The supreme irony was that at that very moment, as people like Peter and Paul and their Christian companions came here to Rome, the God of Israel was coming in the person of Jesus to Rome and through Rome to all the world.
  zh: 极大的讽刺是，就在那时，彼得、保罗和他们的基督徒同伴来到罗马，以色列的神以耶稣的身份来到罗马，并通过罗马传向全世界。
- start: 2504.74
  end: 2508.425
  speaker: barron
  en: St. Paul, once he had seen the risen Christ, understood this immediately.
  zh: 圣保罗一见到复活的基督，就立刻明白了这一点。
- start: 2508.425
  end: 2514.09
  speaker: barron
  en: And that's why in all of his letters we find this phrase, "Jesus Kyrios."
  zh: 这就是为什么在他所有的书信中，我们都能找到这句话：「耶稣是主。」
- start: 2514.351
  end: 2516.812
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus is the Lord.
  zh: 耶稣是主。
- start: 2516.852
  end: 2520.634
  speaker: barron
  en: Now to us that sounds like a rather bland spiritual statement.
  zh: 对我们来说，这听起来像是一个平淡的属灵声明。
- start: 2520.654
  end: 2523.536
  speaker: barron
  en: But in Jesus' time, those were fighting words.
  zh: 但在耶稣的时代，这些是战斗的话语。
- start: 2524.057
  end: 2528.199
  speaker: barron
  en: Because the watchword of the era was, "Caesar Kyrios."
  zh: 因为那个时代的口号是「凯撒是主」。
- start: 2528.459
  end: 2529.78
  speaker: barron
  en: Caesar is the Lord.
  zh: 凯撒是主。
- start: 2529.78
  end: 2532.682
  speaker: barron
  en: Caesar is the one to whom final allegiance is due.
  zh: 凯撒是应当最终效忠的对象。
- start: 2532.902
  end: 2536.104
  speaker: barron
  en: The message Paul had to the world was, "No, not Caesar.
  zh: 保罗向世界传的信息是：「不，不是凯撒。
- start: 2536.284
  end: 2539.506
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus Kyrios, Jesus is the Lord."
  zh: 耶稣是主，耶稣是主。」
- start: 2542.608
  end: 2545.869
  speaker: barron
  en: On the slopes of the Capitoline Hill, St. Mark lived.
  zh: 圣马可住在卡比托利欧山的坡上。
- start: 2546.45
  end: 2549.991
  speaker: barron
  en: And Mark wrote, around the year 70, the first Gospel.
  zh: 马可在大约公元70年写了第一部福音书。
- start: 2550.792
  end: 2556.515
  speaker: barron
  en: It was written a few years after Mark's friends, Peter and Paul, had been brutally put to death.
  zh: 那是在马可的朋友彼得和保罗被残酷处死几年后写的。
- start: 2556.795
  end: 2564.88
  speaker: barron
  en: 'And Mark wrote this in the opening line of his Gospel: "The good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God."'
  zh: 马可在他的福音书开头写道：「神的儿子，耶稣基督的福音。」
- start: 2565.3
  end: 2569.903
  speaker: barron
  en: Again, it sounds spiritual enough to us, but those two were fighting words.
  zh: 对我们来说，这听起来足够属灵，但这两句话是战斗的话语。
- start: 2570.543
  end: 2577.647
  speaker: barron
  en: '"Euangelion," that''s the Greek he used, glad tidings, was a word used to describe an imperial victory.'
  zh: 「福音」，他用的希腊词，是用来描述帝国胜利的。
- start: 2578.008
  end: 2584.111
  speaker: barron
  en: When Caesar won a great battle, he sent messengers ahead with the word "euangelion," there's good news about this victory.
  zh: 当凯撒赢得大战时，他派使者前去传「福音」，就是这胜利的好消息。
- start: 2584.111
  end: 2586.673
  speaker: barron
  en: See what Mark is saying and how subversive it was.
  zh: 看看马可在说什么，以及它多么颠覆。
- start: 2587.208
  end: 2590.41
  speaker: barron
  en: The real good news has nothing to do with Caesar.
  zh: 真正的好消息与凯撒无关。
- start: 2590.77
  end: 2595.634
  speaker: barron
  en: It has to do with someone that Caesar put to death and that God raised from the dead.
  zh: 它与凯撒处死而神使他从死里复活的人有关。
- start: 2595.634
  end: 2597.595
  speaker: barron
  en: It has to do with Jesus Christ.
  zh: 它与耶稣基督有关。
- start: 2597.595
  end: 2603.558
  speaker: barron
  en: And then, just to rub it in, he calls him the Son of God.
  zh: 然后，为了更强调这一点，他称他为神的儿子。
- start: 2604.059
  end: 2606.521
  speaker: barron
  en: That was an imperial title.
  zh: 那是一个帝国的称号。
- start: 2606.521
  end: 2608.421
  speaker: barron
  en: Caesar was the Son of God.
  zh: 凯撒是神的儿子。
- start: 2608.422
  end: 2611.443
  speaker: barron
  en: Mark is saying, not Caesar, but rather Christ.
  zh: 马可在说，不是凯撒，而是基督。
- start: 2611.504
  end: 2613.385
  speaker: barron
  en: And imagine now, he's in the belly of the beast.
  zh: 想象一下，他身处兽腹。
- start: 2613.385
  end: 2616.567
  speaker: barron
  en: He's in the heart of the empire that killed his friends.
  zh: 他在杀害他朋友的帝国的心脏。
- start: 2616.907
  end: 2620.31
  speaker: barron
  en: And he says these subversive revolutionary things.
  zh: 他却说出这些颠覆性的革命话语。
- start: 2622.853
  end: 2626.917
  speaker: barron
  en: In April of 2005, Pope Benedict XVI was elected.
  zh: 2005年4月，本笃十六世被选为教宗。
- start: 2627.237
  end: 2633.983
  speaker: barron
  en: He came out here on the front loggia of St. Peter's, and then gathering around him came all the cardinals who had just elected him.
  zh: 他走到圣彼得大教堂的前廊，围绕他的是刚刚选举他的枢机主教们。
- start: 2634.104
  end: 2639.849
  speaker: barron
  en: The cameras caught the remarkably pensive expression of Francis Cardinal George of Chicago.
  zh: 镜头捕捉到了芝加哥的乔治枢机主教那异常沉思的表情。
- start: 2640.748
  end: 2648.195
  speaker: barron
  en: When Cardinal George got home, the reporters asked him, "What were you thinking of as you were looking out from the loge of St. Peter's?" Here's what he said.
  zh: 乔治枢机主教回家后，记者问他：「当你从圣彼得大教堂的廊台眺望时，你在想什么？」他这样回答。
- start: 2648.195
  end: 2662.426
  speaker: barron
  en: He said, "I was gazing over toward the Circus Maximus, toward the Palatine Hills where the Roman emperors once reigned, where they looked down upon the persecution of Christians, and I thought, where are their successors?
  zh: 他说：「我凝视着大竞技场，望向帕拉蒂尼山，那里曾是罗马皇帝统治的地方，他们曾俯视基督徒的迫害，我想，他们的继承者在哪里？
- start: 2662.827
  end: 2665.109
  speaker: barron
  en: Where's the successor of Julius Caesar?
  zh: 尤利乌斯·凯撒的继承者在哪里？
- start: 2665.129
  end: 2667.011
  speaker: barron
  en: Where is the successor of Marcus Aurelius?
  zh: 马可·奥勒留的继承者在哪里？
- start: 2667.011
  end: 2669.092
  speaker: barron
  en: And finally, who cares?
  zh: 最后，谁在乎呢？
- start: 2669.312
  end: 2676.217
  speaker: barron
  en: But if you want to see the successor of Peter, he's standing right next to me, smiling and waving at the crowd."
  zh: 但如果你想看到彼得的继承者，他就站在我旁边，微笑着向人群挥手。」
- start: 2683.464
  end: 2686.086
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus Christ is Lord.
  zh: 耶稣基督是主。
- start: 2686.306
  end: 2687.847
  speaker: barron
  en: That means Caesar isn't Lord.
  zh: 这意味着凯撒不是主。
- start: 2687.847
  end: 2690.569
  speaker: barron
  en: That means none of Caesar's descendants are Lord.
  zh: 这意味着凯撒的后裔都不是主。
- start: 2690.569
  end: 2698.614
  speaker: barron
  en: Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, is the one to whom we owe final allegiance.
  zh: 耶稣基督，从死里复活的，是我们应当最终效忠的对象。
- start: 2699.995
  end: 2703.638
  speaker: barron
  en: And so Jesus fulfilled the four tasks of the Messiah.
  zh: 因此，耶稣完成了弥赛亚的四项任务。
- start: 2705.419
  end: 2706.98
  speaker: barron
  en: He gathered the tribes.
  zh: 他聚集了支派。
- start: 2708.601
  end: 2710.542
  speaker: barron
  en: He cleansed the temple.
  zh: 他洁净了圣殿。
- start: 2712.364
  end: 2716.425
  speaker: barron
  en: He dealt with the enemies of Israel.
  zh: 他对付了以色列的敌人。
- start: 2716.906
  end: 2721.468
  speaker: barron
  en: And now he is reigning as Lord of the Nations.
  zh: 现在他正作为万国之主掌权。
- start: 2739.079
  end: 2741.141
  speaker: barron
  en: Yeah, I'm always moved when I come in here to the Coliseum.
  zh: 是的，每次来到斗兽场我总是感动。
- start: 2741.141
  end: 2744.004
  speaker: barron
  en: I always think we won.
  zh: 我总是想，我们赢了。
- start: 2744.585
  end: 2754.016
  speaker: barron
  en: This was a place where Christians—not the earliest Christians, this didn't exist until the second century—but in later persecutions, Christians were tortured to death here in this place.
  zh: 这里是基督徒受难的地方——不是最早的基督徒，这直到二世纪才存在——但在后来的迫害中，基督徒在这里被折磨致死。
- start: 2755.898
  end: 2758.979
  speaker: barron
  en: I mean, the spiritual is always more powerful than what's in the world.
  zh: 我的意思是，属灵的总是比世上的更强大。
- start: 2758.979
  end: 2760.319
  speaker: barron
  en: It doesn't seem that way.
  zh: 看起来并非如此。
- start: 2760.319
  end: 2763.16
  speaker: barron
  en: It always looks like a, "Oh, we can handle that."
  zh: 总是看起来像是，「哦，我们能应付。」
- start: 2763.28
  end: 2769.682
  speaker: barron
  en: Like Pius XII, you know, said something critical of Stalin, and Stalin said, "Pius XII, how many divisions does he have?"
  zh: 就像庇护十二世，你知道的，他批评了斯大林，斯大林说：「庇护十二世，他有多少师？」
- start: 2769.682
  end: 2777.844
  speaker: barron
  en: Well, of course, the great irony is the successor of Pius XII defeated the successor of Stalin, and without a single division, but with the power of the spirit.
  zh: 当然，极大的讽刺是，庇护十二世的继承者击败了斯大林的继承者，没有一个师，而是靠着圣灵的力量。
- start: 2777.864
  end: 2780.124
  speaker: barron
  en: And that's what this place to me sort of speaks.
  zh: 这就是这个地方对我所传达的信息。
- start: 2783.685
  end: 2787.508
  speaker: barron
  en: Every Good Friday, the Pope comes in here carrying the cross.
  zh: 每个受难节，教宗都带着十字架来到这里。
- start: 2787.889
  end: 2790.271
  speaker: barron
  en: Because the cross was the symbol of Roman power.
  zh: 因为十字架曾是罗马权力的象征。
- start: 2790.271
  end: 2794.275
  speaker: barron
  en: It meant, if you cross us, pun intended, that's where we'll put you.
  zh: 它的意思是，如果你反对我们，双关语意，我们就把你钉在那里。
- start: 2794.275
  end: 2798.839
  speaker: barron
  en: That's how, you know, secular power tends to maintain itself, through threats of violence.
  zh: 你知道，世俗权力倾向于通过暴力威胁来维持自己。
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  speaker: barron
  en: But then we use the symbol of the cross to taunt Rome and all of Rome's successors, because from that cross came forth the victory of God, which is a victory of non-violence and compassion and love and forgiveness.
  zh: 但我们用十字架的象征来嘲讽罗马和所有罗马的继承者，因为从那十字架上产生了神的胜利，这是非暴力、怜悯、爱和宽恕的胜利。
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  speaker: barron
  en: And that's more powerful than anything in the world because that's the power by which the world was created.
  zh: 这比世上的任何东西都更强大，因为这就是创造世界的力量。
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  speaker: barron
  en: God made the world not in violence, but in love.
  zh: 神创造世界不是用暴力，而是用爱。
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  speaker: barron
  en: And so love is always more enduring and powerful than hatred, even though it seems otherwise.
  zh: 所以爱总是比仇恨更持久、更强大，尽管看起来并非如此。
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  speaker: barron
  en: That's the great lesson of the church.
  zh: 这就是教会的伟大教训。