- start: 5.715
  end: 12.698
  speaker: unknown
  en: Even though we couldn't scale the heights of heaven, He stooped down in His love to show us what we could never discover on our own.
  zh: 虽然我们无法攀登天堂的高度，但祂屈尊俯就，以祂的爱向我们显明我们自己永远无法发现的事。
- start: 12.879
  end: 20.222
  speaker: unknown
  en: But only when we go back and look at what He's done for us, in the light of who He is, do we really come to understand it.
  zh: 但只有当我们回顾祂为我们所做的一切，并以祂的本质为亮光来审视时，我们才能真正理解。
- start: 20.222
  end: 32.908
  speaker: unknown
  en: The covenant reflects God's own fatherly purpose for making us His family, coming to know who God is, from all eternity, as the Trinity, in terms of family life and love.
  zh: 这约反映了神自己的父亲心意，要使我们成为祂的家人，从永恒中认识神是谁，即三位一体的神，以家庭生活和爱的方式。
- start: 33.965
  end: 37.09
  speaker: unknown
  en: The church is, in fact, the family that God has fathered.
  zh: 事实上，教会就是神所生的家庭。
- start: 37.09
  end: 42.018
  speaker: unknown
  en: Christ fulfilling His promise on this rock, I will build my church.
  zh: 基督实现了祂的应许，在这磐石上，我要建立我的教会。
- start: 42.018
  end: 43.681
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is the kingdom of the Son.
  zh: 这是圣子的国度。
- start: 43.681
  end: 45.343
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
  zh: 这是圣灵的殿。
- start: 45.343
  end: 48.608
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is what it means to be a Catholic Christian.
  zh: 这就是作为公教会基督徒的意义。
- start: 66.53
  end: 67.63
  speaker: unknown
  en: Good morning.
  zh: 早安。
- start: 68.832
  end: 70.652
  speaker: unknown
  en: My pleasure to be with you.
  zh: 很高兴与你们在一起。
- start: 71.813
  end: 78.317
  speaker: unknown
  en: As you know, as Catholics, we hear about the new evangelization.
  zh: 你们知道，作为天主教徒，我们听说过新福传。
- start: 78.858
  end: 83.981
  speaker: unknown
  en: In the second half of the 20th century, it became the main event.
  zh: 在20世纪下半叶，它成为了主要事件。
- start: 84.342
  end: 88.384
  speaker: unknown
  en: It reached a sort of crescendo as we crossed the new millennium.
  zh: 当我们跨入新千年时，它达到了某种高潮。
- start: 88.824
  end: 93.187
  speaker: unknown
  en: But now, in the 21st century, we realize we were just getting started.
  zh: 但现在，在21世纪，我们意识到我们才刚刚开始。
- start: 93.297
  end: 95.038
  speaker: unknown
  en: This was not a short-term mission.
  zh: 这不是一个短期使命。
- start: 95.038
  end: 97.278
  speaker: unknown
  en: This was a long-term strategy.
  zh: 这是一个长期策略。
- start: 97.479
  end: 106.282
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, my first presentation today is going to be entitled, First Comes Love, subtitled, What is the Catholic Gospel?
  zh: 因此，我今天的第一个演讲题目是「爱先来」，副标题是「什么是公教会的福音？」
- start: 106.402
  end: 112.824
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because in order for us to evangelize, we have to know what is the evangel, the good news.
  zh: 因为为了传福音，我们必须知道什么是福音，即好消息。
- start: 113.124
  end: 124.91
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so, I would like to focus this morning on what it means for us to believe in the gospel and to understand what it is for us as Catholic Christians.
  zh: 所以，我想今天上午重点讨论相信福音对我们意味着什么，以及作为公教会基督徒，我们如何理解福音。
- start: 125.251
  end: 129.617
  speaker: unknown
  en: A lot of people talk about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
  zh: 许多人谈论与耶稣基督的个人关系。
- start: 129.678
  end: 135.486
  speaker: unknown
  en: And of course, not only do we have no problem with that, we would affirm that as a wonderful and awesome grace.
  zh: 当然，我们不仅对此没有问题，还会肯定这是一种美妙而令人敬畏的恩典。
- start: 135.822
  end: 137.943
  speaker: unknown
  en: But we're talking about something more.
  zh: 但我们谈论的是更多的东西。
- start: 137.964
  end: 149.732
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're talking about a covenantal relationship with Jesus, so that more than a coworker, more than a neighbor, more than a close friend, He really is the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
  zh: 我们谈论的是与耶稣的约的关系，所以祂不仅仅是同事，不仅仅是邻居，不仅仅是亲密的朋友，祂真的是众多弟兄姐妹中的长子。
- start: 149.732
  end: 151.472
  speaker: unknown
  en: He is the eternal Son.
  zh: 祂是永恒的圣子。
- start: 151.693
  end: 160.539
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, we enter into this covenant kinship with the eternal Son of God and find ourselves members of the family of God.
  zh: 因此，我们进入与神的永恒圣子的约的亲属关系，发现自己成为神家庭的成员。
- start: 160.939
  end: 163.921
  speaker: unknown
  en: But how do we begin to wrap our minds around it?
  zh: 但我们如何开始理解这一点呢？
- start: 164.315
  end: 167.836
  speaker: unknown
  en: I would like to propose a very simple point of entry.
  zh: 我想提出一个非常简单的切入点。
- start: 167.836
  end: 172.218
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that is something that we do as Catholics all the time.
  zh: 这是我们作为天主教徒一直在做的事情。
- start: 172.538
  end: 174.038
  speaker: unknown
  en: The sign of the cross.
  zh: 画十字圣号。
- start: 174.979
  end: 185.263
  speaker: unknown
  en: When we make the sign of the cross, we're speaking the words in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit while we trace the cross upon our bodies.
  zh: 当我们画十字圣号时，我们在身体上画十字，同时说出「奉父、子、圣灵的名」这些话。
- start: 185.683
  end: 208.052
  speaker: unknown
  en: On the one hand, we confess the highest and the holiest mystery of who God is from all eternity, while we also remind ourselves with this performative utterance, this gesture, what God has done for us, not only to forgive our sins, but to adopt us into His family through the holy sacrifice of Jesus upon the cross.
  zh: 一方面，我们承认神从永恒以来是谁这一最高最圣洁的奥秘，同时我们也通过这个行为性的话语、这个手势提醒自己，神为我们做了什么，不仅赦免我们的罪，还通过耶稣在十字架上的圣洁牺牲收养我们进入祂的家庭。
- start: 208.393
  end: 209.574
  speaker: unknown
  en: It seems so basic.
  zh: 这看似如此基本。
- start: 209.574
  end: 215.579
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's over and done in less than three seconds, and yet it contains the whole mystery of faith.
  zh: 它在不到三秒钟内就完成了，却包含了整个信仰的奥秘。
- start: 216.112
  end: 221.136
  speaker: unknown
  en: But when we hear that phrase, the mystery of faith, we have to ask, what do we mean?
  zh: 但当我们听到「信仰的奥秘」这个短语时，我们不得不问，我们是什么意思？
- start: 221.277
  end: 227.622
  speaker: unknown
  en: I remember becoming a Catholic way back in the mid-80s and teaching a class of young teenagers.
  zh: 我记得在80年代中期成为天主教徒，并教导一群青少年。
- start: 227.763
  end: 233.588
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I asked them the question, what do we as Catholics mean when we speak of the mystery of faith?
  zh: 我问他们，作为天主教徒，当我们谈论信仰的奥秘时，我们是什么意思？
- start: 233.849
  end: 236.091
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this one kid, a hot shot, raised his hand.
  zh: 一个自以为是的孩子举起了手。
- start: 236.091
  end: 241.776
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, a mystery of faith is something we have to believe in, even if we know it isn't true.
  zh: 他说，信仰的奥秘是我们必须相信的东西，即使我们知道它不是真的。
- start: 242.446
  end: 243.907
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like, well, not quite.
  zh: 我说，嗯，不完全是这样。
- start: 243.907
  end: 249.171
  speaker: unknown
  en: I mean, the mysteries of faith go beyond reason, but they never go against it.
  zh: 我的意思是，信仰的奥秘超越理性，但从不违背理性。
- start: 249.548
  end: 254.692
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so what I had to clarify is how there are mysteries in the natural order.
  zh: 所以我必须澄清的是自然秩序中也存在奥秘。
- start: 254.753
  end: 263.74
  speaker: unknown
  en: Like, I know a friend who has a doctorate in physics focusing on optics, and yet he tells me that we have never really resolved the mystery of light.
  zh: 比如，我有一个朋友，他有物理学博士学位，专注于光学，但他告诉我，我们从未真正解开光的奥秘。
- start: 263.78
  end: 264.761
  speaker: unknown
  en: What is it?
  zh: 它是什么？
- start: 264.781
  end: 266.943
  speaker: unknown
  en: Is it a particle, a wave, or a beam?
  zh: 它是粒子、波还是光束？
- start: 266.943
  end: 275.57
  speaker: unknown
  en: Somehow it's all three and yet one, but we don't turn off the lights until we have purely identified and defined that mystery.
  zh: 它某种程度上是这三者，却又是一体的，但我们不会因为还没有完全识别和定义这个奥秘就关掉灯。
- start: 275.64
  end: 284.686
  speaker: unknown
  en: And even more, the mystery of life, and most of all, the mystery of love, which is not reducible to biochemical processes in the brain or the body.
  zh: 更重要的是生命的奥秘，尤其是爱的奥秘，它不能简单地归结为大脑或身体中的生化过程。
- start: 285.026
  end: 294.512
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so there are mysteries in the natural order, but there are also mysteries in the supernatural order, most especially the mystery of the Holy Trinity.
  zh: 因此，自然秩序中存在奥秘，超自然秩序中也存在奥秘，尤其是三位一体的奥秘。
- start: 295.169
  end: 307.997
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, when we hear about the mystery of the Holy Trinity, that there is one God in three divine persons, it almost feels like something of a mathematical abstraction, that somehow God is both three and one.
  zh: 当我们听到三位一体的奥秘，即一位神有三个神圣位格时，这几乎感觉像是一种数学抽象，神既是三又是一。
- start: 308.097
  end: 320.884
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we know it's doctrine, we know it's defined, it's dogma, and so we have to believe it upon pain of mortal sin, but there's so much more than just simply that legal requirement for Catholic Christians to believe this.
  zh: 我们知道这是教义，是已定义的，是教条，所以我们必须相信，否则就是犯了致死的罪，但对公教会基督徒来说，相信这一点远不止是一个法律要求。
- start: 320.984
  end: 325.625
  speaker: unknown
  en: This has been at the heart of the Christian faith since the Incarnation.
  zh: 自道成肉身以来，这一直是基督教信仰的核心。
- start: 325.766
  end: 344.092
  speaker: unknown
  en: So what I would like to do is to begin focusing on how the Catholic Gospel originates in eternity as the plan of the Father for the Son to give us the spirit of Sonship that we would share in nothing less than Jesus' own divine Sonship.
  zh: 所以我想开始关注天主教的福音如何源于永恒，作为圣父的计划，让圣子赐给我们儿子名分的灵，使我们分享耶稣自己的神圣儿子身份。
- start: 344.733
  end: 350.935
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, as we think about how to do that, and I've taught courses on the Trinity at the university and seminary level.
  zh: 现在，当我们思考如何做到这一点时，我在大学和神学院层面上教授过三位一体的课程。
- start: 350.935
  end: 354.436
  speaker: unknown
  en: In fact, I'm getting ready to teach another one next semester.
  zh: 事实上，我正准备下学期再教一门。
- start: 354.676
  end: 381.769
  speaker: unknown
  en: But the fact is, it isn't easy, and yet on the other hand, I remember as a Protestant seminarian back in 1982, no it was 1979, I remember your Pope coming to Boston, and I was up there on the North Shore studying, and I always remember some classmates who skipped school to go down to hear him in the Boston Commons.
  zh: 但事实是，这并不容易，另一方面，我记得1982年，不，是1979年，我还是一个新教神学生，我记得你们的教宗来到波士顿，我当时在北岸学习，我总是记得一些同学逃课去波士顿公园听他讲话。
- start: 381.769
  end: 387.313
  speaker: unknown
  en: There was a deluge, a downpour I thought served them right for going to listen to their Pope.
  zh: 那天下着倾盆大雨，我当时认为这是他们去听他们的教宗讲话的报应。
- start: 387.954
  end: 389.135
  speaker: unknown
  en: I was not a Catholic.
  zh: 我当时不是天主教徒。
- start: 389.135
  end: 404.857
  speaker: unknown
  en: In fact, I was still very anti-Catholic, but I have to admit that a few days later when I picked up the homily and read it in the Boston Globe, I was startled at how clear, how profoundly biblical it was, and yet how practical too.
  zh: 事实上，我当时还很反对天主教，但我不得不承认，几天后当我在波士顿环球报上读到他的讲道时，我惊讶于它是如此清晰，如此深刻地符合圣经，而且又如此实用。
- start: 405.278
  end: 414.965
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I began to look around to see if this was just an exception, but no, as a matter of fact, this is the way your Pope could preach and make the Bible come alive.
  zh: 于是我开始四处查看，看这是否只是一个例外，但事实上，这就是你们的教宗能够传道并使圣经变得生动的方式。
- start: 415.125
  end: 425.373
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I began to gather fragments of his homilies, and there was one in particular that he'd given earlier that I found on the Trinity, speaking to ordinary Catholics.
  zh: 于是我开始收集他讲道的片段，其中有一篇是他早些时候关于三位一体的讲道，是对普通天主教徒说的。
- start: 425.777
  end: 429.018
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I remember a quote from this homily.
  zh: 我记得这篇讲道中的一句话。
- start: 429.459
  end: 430.579
  speaker: unknown
  en: I wrote it down.
  zh: 我把它写了下来。
- start: 430.579
  end: 432.0
  speaker: unknown
  en: I committed it to memory.
  zh: 我把它记在了心里。
- start: 432.0
  end: 444.815
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, and I quote, that God in his deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since he has in himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love.
  zh: 他说，我引用他的话，神在祂最深奥的奥秘中不是孤独的，而是一个家庭，因为祂自身具有父性、子性和家庭的本质，即爱。
- start: 444.815
  end: 452.617
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he went on to explain the love of the Holy Spirit, the interpersonal bond of communion that is more than a power, it is the third person.
  zh: 他接着解释了圣灵的爱，这种人际相交的纽带不仅仅是一种力量，而是第三位格。
- start: 452.617
  end: 457.939
  speaker: unknown
  en: But notice that God in his deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family.
  zh: 但请注意，神在祂最深奥的奥秘中不是孤独的，而是一个家庭。
- start: 458.359
  end: 460.159
  speaker: unknown
  en: The Catechism echoes this.
  zh: 《公教会教理》也呼应了这一点。
- start: 460.299
  end: 463.24
  speaker: unknown
  en: God is one, but not solitary.
  zh: 神是一体的，但不是孤独的。
- start: 463.56
  end: 464.78
  speaker: unknown
  en: Then it goes on.
  zh: 然后它继续说。
- start: 465.061
  end: 473.983
  speaker: unknown
  en: He says God in his deepest mystery is not a solitude, but a family, since he has in himself fatherhood, sonship, and the essence of the family, which is love.
  zh: 他说神在祂最深奥的奥秘中不是孤独的，而是一个家庭，因为祂自身具有父性、子性和家庭的本质，即爱。
- start: 474.215
  end: 475.536
  speaker: unknown
  en: Did you catch that?
  zh: 你们注意到了吗？
- start: 475.756
  end: 480.0
  speaker: unknown
  en: Notice that John Paul did not say that God is like a family.
  zh: 注意，若望保禄并没有说神像一个家庭。
- start: 480.0
  end: 481.941
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said that he is a family.
  zh: 他说神就是一个家庭。
- start: 481.941
  end: 482.982
  speaker: unknown
  en: And why?
  zh: 为什么呢？
- start: 483.002
  end: 492.549
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because God possesses from all eternity these absolute fundamental features of the family, namely fatherhood, sonship, and love.
  zh: 因为神从永恒就拥有这些家庭的绝对基本特征，即父性、子性和爱。
- start: 493.15
  end: 496.072
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he alone possesses them in their perfection.
  zh: 只有祂完美地拥有这些特征。
- start: 496.072
  end: 501.176
  speaker: unknown
  en: It would almost be more accurate than to say that the Hahns are like a family.
  zh: 这几乎比说哈恩家像一个家庭更准确。
- start: 501.286
  end: 505.529
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because we also have fatherhood, but I'm told that it's flawed.
  zh: 因为我们也有父性，但我被告知它是有缺陷的。
- start: 505.589
  end: 506.289
  speaker: unknown
  en: I wouldn't know.
  zh: 我不知道。
- start: 506.289
  end: 508.151
  speaker: unknown
  en: I don't see my own mistakes.
  zh: 我看不到自己的错误。
- start: 508.151
  end: 509.371
  speaker: unknown
  en: We also have sonship.
  zh: 我们也有子性。
- start: 509.371
  end: 514.074
  speaker: unknown
  en: I've got five sons and one daughter, and I can assure you our sons have flaws.
  zh: 我有五个儿子和一个女儿，我可以向你保证我们的儿子们都有缺点。
- start: 514.115
  end: 516.336
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we have love, but it too is imperfect.
  zh: 我们也有爱，但它也是不完美的。
- start: 516.336
  end: 517.677
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's incomplete.
  zh: 它是不完整的。
- start: 518.217
  end: 527.243
  speaker: unknown
  en: So what we hear in this amazing statement is that the Trinity involves more than a dogma, more than a mathematical abstraction.
  zh: 所以我们从这个令人惊叹的陈述中听到的是，三位一体不仅仅是一个教条，不仅仅是一个数学抽象。
- start: 527.421
  end: 540.305
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is a spiritual vision, as well as a practical and personal challenge for us, not only to enter into the family of God, but for us to live family life wherever we take that grace back home with us.
  zh: 它是一种属灵的视野，也是一个实际的和个人的挑战，不仅要我们进入神的家庭，还要我们无论在哪里都带着这恩典回家过家庭生活。
- start: 540.385
  end: 551.149
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now at this point, somebody could protest and say, wait, does John Paul, does the Catholic Church, does new evangelization require us to become professional theologians?
  zh: 现在，有人可能会抗议说，等等，若望保禄、公教会、新福传是否要求我们成为专业神学家？
- start: 551.149
  end: 552.549
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I would say no.
  zh: 我会说不是。
- start: 553.058
  end: 561.583
  speaker: unknown
  en: But at the same time, we recall that Jesus said that we should love the Lord our God with all of our heart and our mind, as well as our soul and strength.
  zh: 但同时，我们记得耶稣说我们应当尽心、尽性、尽意、尽力爱主我们的神。
- start: 561.724
  end: 572.09
  speaker: unknown
  en: And if that's the case, then I would propose that coming to know who God is from all eternity as the Trinity in terms of family life and love.
  zh: 如果是这样的话，那么我建议我们应当从永恒的角度，以家庭生活和爱的方式来认识三位一体的神是谁。
- start: 572.331
  end: 580.536
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is not a call to become professional theologians and get your graduate degree, although I would invite you to consider that sort of thing.
  zh: 这并不是要求你们成为专业神学家并获得研究生学位，尽管我会邀请你们考虑这种事情。
- start: 580.717
  end: 591.144
  speaker: unknown
  en: But what it's calling us to do is to get to know God for who he is to us and for who he is from all eternity, not just what he does to us or for us.
  zh: 但它呼召我们去认识神对我们而言是谁，以及祂从永恒以来是谁，而不仅仅是祂对我们做了什么或为我们做了什么。
- start: 591.305
  end: 598.59
  speaker: unknown
  en: There's a sense in which we can be true amateur theologians because the word amateur comes from the Latin amour.
  zh: 在某种意义上，我们可以成为真正的业余神学家，因为「业余」这个词来自拉丁语的「amour」。
- start: 598.59
  end: 601.072
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's a French word meaning one who loves.
  zh: 这是一个法语词，意思是「热爱者」。
- start: 601.652
  end: 609.578
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so as we come to know who God is, we're going to come to understand what he does much, much better.
  zh: 因此，当我们认识神是谁时，我们就会更好地理解祂所做的事。
- start: 609.87
  end: 613.732
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I think that is the key that it's going to unlock the door over and over again.
  zh: 我认为这是能一次又一次打开门的钥匙。
- start: 613.732
  end: 617.534
  speaker: unknown
  en: The importance of getting this right, I really want to clarify.
  zh: 我真的想澄清正确理解这一点的重要性。
- start: 617.775
  end: 623.498
  speaker: unknown
  en: I remember one night teaching a Bible study for undergraduates and graduates on our home.
  zh: 我记得有一天晚上在我们家里为本科生和研究生教授圣经研究。
- start: 624.319
  end: 630.723
  speaker: unknown
  en: And my two boys at the time were not even teenagers, but they wanted to stay up late.
  zh: 当时我的两个儿子还不是青少年，但他们想熬夜。
- start: 630.723
  end: 632.204
  speaker: unknown
  en: They always wanted to.
  zh: 他们总是想这样。
- start: 632.344
  end: 636.567
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so they came up with a really interesting excuse.
  zh: 所以他们想出了一个很有趣的借口。
- start: 636.567
  end: 639.228
  speaker: unknown
  en: We'd like to sit in on your Bible study.
  zh: 我们想旁听你的圣经研究。
- start: 640.143
  end: 642.925
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, I thought, sure, I'll let them have my way.
  zh: 我想，好吧，我就让他们如愿以偿。
- start: 642.925
  end: 647.209
  speaker: unknown
  en: As long as you're alert and you're awake and you're paying attention, you can sit on the stairs.
  zh: 只要你们保持警觉、清醒并专心听讲，你们就可以坐在楼梯上。
- start: 647.209
  end: 648.31
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so they did.
  zh: 他们就这样做了。
- start: 648.33
  end: 649.992
  speaker: unknown
  en: We went through an hour of Bible study.
  zh: 我们进行了一个小时的圣经研究。
- start: 649.992
  end: 651.673
  speaker: unknown
  en: They were still alert at the end.
  zh: 到最后他们仍然保持清醒。
- start: 651.673
  end: 663.303
  speaker: unknown
  en: We went through about five or ten minutes of Q&A. And one of my grad students asked me this really complicated question about the metaphysics of the eternal decree of God regarding the incarnation.
  zh: 我们进行了大约五到十分钟的问答。其中一个研究生问了我一个非常复杂的问题，关于神关于道成肉身的永恒旨意的形而上学。
- start: 663.383
  end: 667.006
  speaker: unknown
  en: And my two boys were looking at me like, what language was that?
  zh: 我的两个儿子看着我，好像在说，那是什么语言？
- start: 667.62
  end: 674.005
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I answered it in terms of the Christocentric perspective of Duns Scotus.
  zh: 于是我用邓斯·司各脱的以基督为中心的观点来回答。
- start: 674.005
  end: 675.546
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I tied in St. Thomas.
  zh: 我还把圣托马斯的观点也联系了进来。
- start: 675.546
  end: 677.967
  speaker: unknown
  en: And they were like, he understood.
  zh: 他们好像在说，他理解了。
- start: 678.668
  end: 688.695
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then he followed it up, this student, Professor Hahn, let me follow this up by saying, and as they were rolling their eyes, uncomprehending, I answered it again succinctly.
  zh: 然后这个学生接着说，「哈恩教授，让我继续问」，而当他们茫然地翻白眼时，我又简洁地回答了一遍。
- start: 688.695
  end: 692.237
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then a moment later, I dismissed the group and they all left.
  zh: 片刻之后，我解散了小组，他们都离开了。
- start: 692.483
  end: 697.745
  speaker: unknown
  en: And as the kids were heading upstairs, suddenly my oldest turned around and said, could I help you with the folding chairs?
  zh: 当孩子们正要上楼时，突然我的大儿子转身说，「我能帮你收拾折叠椅吗？」
- start: 697.745
  end: 700.706
  speaker: unknown
  en: And my other son said, and I can help with a sweeper too.
  zh: 我的另一个儿子说，「我也可以帮忙打扫。」
- start: 700.706
  end: 702.267
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like, absolutely.
  zh: 我说，「当然可以。」
- start: 702.267
  end: 704.428
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so they came back downstairs.
  zh: 于是他们又下楼来。
- start: 704.548
  end: 714.932
  speaker: unknown
  en: And suddenly as they were getting the folding chairs stacked, my oldest son said to me, Professor Hahn, can you explain to me the theology of the folding chair?
  zh: 当他们正在叠放折叠椅时，我的大儿子突然对我说，「哈恩教授，你能给我解释一下折叠椅的神学吗？」
- start: 716.36
  end: 722.502
  speaker: unknown
  en: And Dr. Hahn, my second son, chimed in, can you explain the vacuum cleaner from philosophy?
  zh: 我的二儿子也插话说，「哈恩博士，你能从哲学角度解释一下吸尘器吗？」
- start: 722.502
  end: 724.703
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like, cut.
  zh: 我心想，打住。
- start: 724.983
  end: 726.323
  speaker: unknown
  en: Doctor is what I do.
  zh: 博士是我的工作。
- start: 726.323
  end: 727.544
  speaker: unknown
  en: Dad is who I am.
  zh: 爸爸是我的身份。
- start: 727.544
  end: 729.244
  speaker: unknown
  en: And don't you ever forget it.
  zh: 你们永远不要忘记这一点。
- start: 729.404
  end: 730.824
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we had a good laugh.
  zh: 我们都笑得很开心。
- start: 730.925
  end: 736.707
  speaker: unknown
  en: But the fact is, we distinguish between what we do and who we are, right?
  zh: 但事实是，我们区分我们做什么和我们是谁，对吧？
- start: 736.707
  end: 746.626
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we know from experience that no friendship, no personal relationship is possible unless we get beyond what that person can do for us and get to know them for who they are.
  zh: 从经验中我们知道，除非我们超越一个人能为我们做什么，而去了解他们是谁，否则任何友谊或个人关系都是不可能的。
- start: 746.626
  end: 753.849
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, in a store, you know, a customer comes up and, you know, he's not going to want an interpersonal relationship.
  zh: 在商店里，你知道，顾客来了，他不会想要建立人际关系。
- start: 753.849
  end: 759.711
  speaker: unknown
  en: So, you know, in a classroom too, when students are concerned about grades, I understand that.
  zh: 所以，你知道，在教室里也是，当学生关心成绩时，我理解这一点。
- start: 759.711
  end: 768.658
  speaker: unknown
  en: But in real life experience, personal relationships get beyond what he'll do for me or what he has done in terms of who that person is.
  zh: 但在现实生活中，个人关系超越了他会为我做什么或他已经做了什么，而是关乎那个人是谁。
- start: 768.778
  end: 773.341
  speaker: unknown
  en: And if that's true in the human realm, it's not less but more true in the divine realm.
  zh: 如果这在人类领域是真实的，那么在神圣领域就更加真实。
- start: 773.341
  end: 778.644
  speaker: unknown
  en: In our relationship with God, we have to come to understand what he's done.
  zh: 在我们与神的关系中，我们必须理解祂所做的。
- start: 778.804
  end: 789.069
  speaker: unknown
  en: But even more, we've got to reach that point to discover who he is, to enter into a personal relationship that is more like family than a store or a classroom.
  zh: 但更重要的是，我们必须达到发现祂是谁的程度，进入一种更像家庭而不是商店或教室的个人关系。
- start: 789.11
  end: 808.305
  speaker: unknown
  en: The Catechism is very clear on this in one of my favorite passages in paragraph 236, because it points out how the fathers of the church distinguished between theology, the word is theologia, and economy, oikonomia, which has got nothing to do with Wall Street.
  zh: 《公教会教理》在第236段中对此非常清楚，这是我最喜欢的段落之一，因为它指出教会的教父们如何区分神学（theologia）和救恩计划（oikonomia），这与华尔街无关。
- start: 808.525
  end: 824.017
  speaker: unknown
  en: On the one hand, theology refers to the mystery of God's inner life within the Blessed Trinity, an economy to all of the works by which God reveals himself and communicates his life, not just factual information.
  zh: 一方面，神学指的是三位一体中神内在生命的奥秘，救恩计划指的是神藉以启示自己并传达祂生命的所有工作，而不仅仅是事实信息。
- start: 824.705
  end: 828.786
  speaker: unknown
  en: Through the economy, the theology is revealed to us.
  zh: 通过救恩计划，神学向我们揭示。
- start: 828.786
  end: 833.508
  speaker: unknown
  en: Through what God has done, we come to know who he is.
  zh: 通过神所做的，我们认识到祂是谁。
- start: 834.048
  end: 841.07
  speaker: unknown
  en: But conversely, the theologia of who God is illuminates the whole economy of what he does.
  zh: 但反过来，神是谁的神学阐明了祂所做的整个救恩计划。
- start: 841.75
  end: 853.334
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then it goes on to explain how this is also true in human experience, that a person discloses himself and his actions, and the better we know a person, the better we understand his actions.
  zh: 然后它继续解释这在人类经验中也是如此，一个人揭示自己和自己的行为，我们越了解一个人，就越能理解他的行为。
- start: 853.999
  end: 861.486
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that is true, especially in our relationship with God, our Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
  zh: 这是真实的，尤其是在我们与神、圣父、圣子和圣灵的关系中。
- start: 861.867
  end: 872.497
  speaker: unknown
  en: Another experience that I had, which really drove this home, was I got an invitation to come out to Penn State and debate a Muslim scholar.
  zh: 我有另一个经历，真正让我深刻理解了这一点，那就是我收到邀请去宾州州立大学与一位穆斯林学者辩论。
- start: 872.778
  end: 875.28
  speaker: unknown
  en: And at first, I had no trouble saying no.
  zh: 起初，我毫不犹豫地拒绝了。
- start: 875.464
  end: 886.313
  speaker: unknown
  en: But then when I realized that this good friend had exhausted all of the other possibilities, reluctantly I said yes, because it was more than a year away, and it just seemed like that was a safe time.
  zh: 但当我意识到这位好朋友已经用尽了所有其他可能性时，我勉强同意了，因为那还有一年多的时间，看起来是个安全的时间。
- start: 887.194
  end: 901.626
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so about five or six months passed, and I was out there in Penn State College visiting my friend, and much to my surprise, he joined us for dinner and he announced that this Muslim scholar happened to be passing through town the same weekend.
  zh: 大约五六个月过去了，我在宾州州立大学拜访我的朋友，令我惊讶的是，他加入我们的晚餐，并宣布那位穆斯林学者恰好同一个周末路过这个城镇。
- start: 901.626
  end: 903.207
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like, how interesting.
  zh: 我心想，真有意思。
- start: 903.317
  end: 909.302
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he said, I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of setting up a breakfast time tomorrow.
  zh: 他说，我希望你不介意，我擅自安排了明天的早餐时间。
- start: 909.303
  end: 914.568
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, well this is supposed to be vacation, but I guess since you already arranged it, we'll go through with it.
  zh: 我心想，这本应是个假期，但既然你已经安排好了，我们就照做吧。
- start: 914.657
  end: 918.68
  speaker: unknown
  en: So we got up in the morning, and we drove down to the restaurant, we said a prayer, and then we walked in.
  zh: 所以我们早上起床，开车去了餐厅，我们做了祷告，然后走了进去。
- start: 918.68
  end: 922.462
  speaker: unknown
  en: The place was empty, and I'm thinking, okay, he forgot, let's leave.
  zh: 餐厅里空无一人，我心想，好吧，他忘了，我们走吧。
- start: 922.462
  end: 930.588
  speaker: unknown
  en: But we sat down, we ordered coffee, and then about three minutes later, this man walked in, a tall, dark stranger wearing a turban.
  zh: 但我们坐了下来，点了咖啡，大约三分钟后，一个人走了进来，一个高大、黝黑的陌生人，戴着头巾。
- start: 930.628
  end: 942.396
  speaker: unknown
  en: We introduced ourselves, we shook hands, we sat down, and after just a moment or two of these pleasantries, he dove right into the subject matter of the debate that we were going to have, namely the Trinity.
  zh: 我们相互介绍，握了手，坐了下来，仅仅寒暄了一两分钟后，他就直接进入了我们将要辩论的主题，即三位一体。
- start: 942.859
  end: 949.962
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he had just come from another university where he had debated a Christian scholar on the philosophical terminology used in the Trinity.
  zh: 他刚从另一所大学来，在那里他与一位基督教学者就三位一体中使用的哲学术语进行了辩论。
- start: 950.162
  end: 958.085
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I referred to God, but I referred to him as Father, and suddenly down came his fist very hard on the table.
  zh: 所以我提到了神，但我称祂为父，突然他的拳头重重地砸在桌子上。
- start: 958.185
  end: 959.005
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I was startled.
  zh: 我吓了一跳。
- start: 959.005
  end: 961.266
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he said, do not blaspheme in my presence.
  zh: 他说，不要在我面前亵渎神。
- start: 961.266
  end: 967.749
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I was wondering what he was talking about, because I don't like blasphemy with breakfast any more than the next guy.
  zh: 我不知道他在说什么，因为我和其他人一样不喜欢在早餐时亵渎神。
- start: 967.749
  end: 970.67
  speaker: unknown
  en: I just didn't think that I had blasphemed.
  zh: 我只是不认为我亵渎了神。
- start: 971.153
  end: 973.095
  speaker: unknown
  en: Did I suddenly contract a Tourette's syndrome?
  zh: 我是突然得了妥瑞氏症吗？
- start: 973.095
  end: 974.096
  speaker: unknown
  en: I didn't think so.
  zh: 我不这么认为。
- start: 974.096
  end: 986.607
  speaker: unknown
  en: But I asked him what he meant by me blaspheming, and he explained that to call God Father is to take human attributes and project them onto God, whereas fatherhood is finite, not infinite.
  zh: 但我问他我亵渎神是什么意思，他解释说称神为父是将人类的属性投射到神身上，而父性是有限的，不是无限的。
- start: 986.607
  end: 988.429
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's human, not divine.
  zh: 这是人性的，不是神性的。
- start: 988.429
  end: 993.853
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so to bring God down to this level would be essentially blasphemous.
  zh: 所以把神降到这个层次本质上就是亵渎。
- start: 994.134
  end: 996.216
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, okay, I'll do my best.
  zh: 我说，好的，我会尽力的。
- start: 996.216
  end: 998.017
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so we changed the subject.
  zh: 于是我们换了话题。
- start: 998.118
  end: 1000.139
  speaker: unknown
  en: A moment later, we're talking about Jesus.
  zh: 片刻之后，我们在谈论耶稣。
- start: 1000.139
  end: 1008.523
  speaker: unknown
  en: A few minutes later, I referred to Jesus as the Son of God, and down came his fist again a second time, even louder and harder.
  zh: 几分钟后，我称耶稣为神的儿子，他的拳头第二次砸下来，声音更大，力道更重。
- start: 1008.523
  end: 1012.285
  speaker: unknown
  en: At this point, there were a couple customers looking at me like, what's your problem?
  zh: 这时，有几个顾客看着我，好像在说，你有什么问题？
- start: 1012.285
  end: 1014.066
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I didn't know.
  zh: 我不知道。
- start: 1014.286
  end: 1015.807
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I asked him, what now?
  zh: 于是我问他，现在又怎么了？
- start: 1015.807
  end: 1018.969
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, I'll ask you once, I've asked you twice, but not a third time.
  zh: 他说，我已经警告你一次，现在是第二次，但不会有第三次。
- start: 1018.969
  end: 1019.709
  speaker: unknown
  en: Don't blaspheme.
  zh: 不要亵渎神。
- start: 1019.709
  end: 1022.31
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like, how have I done so?
  zh: 我说，我怎么亵渎神了？
- start: 1022.491
  end: 1025.192
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, you referred to Jesus as the Son of God.
  zh: 他说，你称耶稣为神的儿子。
- start: 1026.184
  end: 1027.806
  speaker: unknown
  en: God does not have a son.
  zh: 神没有儿子。
- start: 1027.807
  end: 1030.611
  speaker: unknown
  en: Once again, sonship is not divine, but human.
  zh: 再说一次，儿子身份不是神性的，而是人性的。
- start: 1030.611
  end: 1031.593
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's not infinite.
  zh: 它不是无限的。
- start: 1031.593
  end: 1032.254
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's finite.
  zh: 它是有限的。
- start: 1032.254
  end: 1036.159
  speaker: unknown
  en: To project that onto God is the essence of blasphemy.
  zh: 把这投射到神身上就是亵渎的本质。
- start: 1036.32
  end: 1042.243
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I was wondering at that point, how are we going to debate the Trinity if I can't refer to God as Father or Son?
  zh: 这时我在想，如果我不能称神为父或子，我们怎么辩论三位一体呢？
- start: 1042.243
  end: 1042.243
  speaker: unknown
  en: But I wasn't going to press that point or even ask that question.
  zh: 但我不打算强调这一点，甚至不打算问这个问题。
- start: 1042.243
  end: 1042.243
  speaker: unknown
  en: Instead, I took a step back, and I wanted to identify some common ground for dialogue.
  zh: 相反，我退后一步，想找出一些对话的共同点。
- start: 1042.243
  end: 1057.55
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I introduced the idea of analogy, which is common in philosophy.
  zh: 于是我引入了类比的概念，这在哲学中很常见。
- start: 1057.55
  end: 1062.492
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, well, you and I would agree that God, Allah in your case, is all-powerful.
  zh: 我说，嗯，你我都同意神，在你的情况下是真主，是全能的。
- start: 1062.492
  end: 1065.733
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's omnipotent, that we have power, but it's finite.
  zh: 祂是无所不能的，我们也有能力，但是有限的。
- start: 1065.733
  end: 1066.793
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he nodded.
  zh: 他点了点头。
- start: 1066.793
  end: 1075.116
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, likewise, you would agree that God, Allah, in your case, is all-knowing, that he is omniscient, and that we have knowledge, but it is finite.
  zh: 我说，同样，你会同意神，在你的情况下是真主，是全知的，祂无所不知，而我们有知识，但是有限的。
- start: 1075.116
  end: 1076.636
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he again nodded.
  zh: 他再次点头。
- start: 1076.696
  end: 1080.937
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, you would also agree that Allah is all-good, that he's all-merciful.
  zh: 我说，你也会同意真主是全善的，祂是全然仁慈的。
- start: 1080.937
  end: 1082.298
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's one of his 99 titles.
  zh: 这是祂99个名号之一。
- start: 1083.661
  end: 1089.545
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we sometimes show mercy, and we also exhibit goodness, even if it's limited.
  zh: 我们有时也表现出仁慈，也展现善良，即使是有限的。
- start: 1089.666
  end: 1097.391
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, you would agree then that Allah is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-merciful, all-good, and all-loving.
  zh: 我说，那么你会同意真主是全能的、全知的、全然仁慈的、全善的和全爱的。
- start: 1097.391
  end: 1102.915
  speaker: unknown
  en: Why couldn't we bundle these divine attributes together and apply the label Father?
  zh: 为什么我们不能把这些神圣属性捆绑在一起，用「父」这个标签来称呼呢？
- start: 1103.336
  end: 1108.76
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he was staring intently back at me, and he said, because Allah does not love as a father loves.
  zh: 他凝视着我，说道，因为真主不像父亲那样爱。
- start: 1109.019
  end: 1112.24
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he could tell I wasn't tracking it all that clearly, and so he explained.
  zh: 他看出我没有完全理解，于是他解释道。
- start: 1112.24
  end: 1113.941
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, let me illustrate.
  zh: 他说，让我举个例子。
- start: 1113.941
  end: 1122.044
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, I just finished a doctorate in Philadelphia Temple University, and I congratulated him, because I knew from my own experience what went into getting a doctorate.
  zh: 他说，我刚在费城的天普大学完成博士学位，我向他表示祝贺，因为我从自己的经历中知道获得博士学位需要付出什么。
- start: 1122.19
  end: 1127.253
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he said, no, I'm going off to the State University of New York for a postdoctoral fellowship.
  zh: 他说，不，我要去纽约州立大学做博士后研究。
- start: 1127.253
  end: 1128.334
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I congratulated him again.
  zh: 我再次向他表示祝贺。
- start: 1128.334
  end: 1129.835
  speaker: unknown
  en: He said, and that's not my point.
  zh: 他说，这不是我要说的重点。
- start: 1129.835
  end: 1132.196
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm leaving one town and moving to another.
  zh: 我要离开一个城市搬到另一个城市。
- start: 1132.196
  end: 1138.921
  speaker: unknown
  en: I've been living in an apartment where the lease allowed pets, and so I actually owned a dog for the last year or so.
  zh: 我一直住在一个允许养宠物的公寓里，所以在过去一年左右我养了一只狗。
- start: 1138.921
  end: 1146.125
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's my dog, and I own the dog, and I love the dog, and I cared for him, but I'm signing a lease up in New York that allows for no pets.
  zh: 这是我的狗，我拥有这只狗，我爱这只狗，我照顾它，但我在纽约签的租约不允许养宠物。
- start: 1146.165
  end: 1147.566
  speaker: unknown
  en: I've tried to get rid of this dog.
  zh: 我试图摆脱这只狗。
- start: 1147.566
  end: 1151.048
  speaker: unknown
  en: Nobody will take him, and so I may have to kill him.
  zh: 没人愿意接收它，所以我可能不得不杀死它。
- start: 1152.617
  end: 1156.738
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I thought that was odd, and I said, with love like that, who needs hate?
  zh: 我觉得这很奇怪，就说，有这样的爱，谁还需要恨？
- start: 1157.219
  end: 1158.739
  speaker: unknown
  en: He wasn't amused.
  zh: 他并不觉得好笑。
- start: 1158.739
  end: 1161.72
  speaker: unknown
  en: He was staring back intently, because he was making a point.
  zh: 他凝视着我，因为他在阐述一个观点。
- start: 1161.72
  end: 1177.605
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like swallowing hard and trying to understand exactly what he was referring to, and then I realized that this is not a fatherly love, that what he was describing in Islam is more precisely and accurately called a master-slave relationship.
  zh: 我艰难地咽了口唾沫，试图准确理解他所指的是什么，然后我意识到这不是父亲般的爱，他在伊斯兰教中描述的更准确地说是一种主仆关系。
- start: 1177.785
  end: 1184.809
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'd come to understand that from studying Islamic scholarship, but I'd never really confronted it this way before.
  zh: 我从研究伊斯兰学术中理解了这一点，但我从未以这种方式直接面对过。
- start: 1185.089
  end: 1203.916
  speaker: unknown
  en: So we made some adjustments, or at least I tried, and we got back on track with the conversation until about four minutes later, I said something, and I don't know to this day what it was, but down came the fist even louder and harder, and he stood up, and he said, I've asked you once, twice, and not a third time.
  zh: 所以我们做了一些调整，或者至少我试图这样做，我们继续交谈，直到大约四分钟后，我说了些什么，到现在我都不知道我说了什么，但他的拳头砸得更响更重，他站了起来，说道，我已经警告过你一次、两次，不会有第三次。
- start: 1204.116
  end: 1211.433
  speaker: unknown
  en: And suddenly he turned around and walked out of the restaurant, and everybody was sitting there in stunned silence, including us.
  zh: 突然，他转身走出了餐厅，包括我们在内的所有人都坐在那里，陷入了震惊的沉默。
- start: 1211.814
  end: 1215.135
  speaker: unknown
  en: The waitress came over and asked if we were ready to order breakfast.
  zh: 服务员走过来问我们是否准备好点早餐了。
- start: 1215.415
  end: 1217.696
  speaker: unknown
  en: Honestly, we had lost our appetites.
  zh: 老实说，我们已经失去了胃口。
- start: 1217.736
  end: 1219.397
  speaker: unknown
  en: We paid for the coffee.
  zh: 我们付了咖啡钱。
- start: 1219.477
  end: 1222.599
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then in stunned silence, we walked out to the parking lot.
  zh: 然后在震惊的沉默中，我们走到停车场。
- start: 1222.599
  end: 1226.0
  speaker: unknown
  en: We sat in his car for five minutes without saying a word.
  zh: 我们在他的车里坐了五分钟，一言不发。
- start: 1226.18
  end: 1237.365
  speaker: unknown
  en: Suddenly my friend, who is a Baptist from birth, turned to me and said, Scott, I don't think I've ever appreciated what we do every time we say, our Father who art in heaven.
  zh: 突然，我那位从小就是浸信会信徒的朋友转向我说：「斯科特，我想我从未如此珍惜我们每次说『我们在天上的父』时所做的事。」
- start: 1237.569
  end: 1243.753
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, and I believe in God the Father almighty, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son.
  zh: 我说：「我信全能的父神，和祂的独生子耶稣基督。」
- start: 1243.754
  end: 1248.998
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he's like, Scott, glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.
  zh: 他说：「斯科特，愿荣耀归于父、子、圣灵。」
- start: 1248.998
  end: 1250.959
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he started up the cart, and we drove home.
  zh: 然后他发动了车，我们开车回家。
- start: 1250.959
  end: 1253.121
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know, two things happened that week.
  zh: 你知道，那周发生了两件事。
- start: 1253.121
  end: 1258.631
  speaker: unknown
  en: On the one hand, we got a call from this scholar who was canceling the debate.
  zh: 一方面，我们接到那位学者的电话，他取消了辩论。
- start: 1258.631
  end: 1260.351
  speaker: unknown
  en: And to be honest, I wasn't disappointed.
  zh: 老实说，我并不失望。
- start: 1260.351
  end: 1261.851
  speaker: unknown
  en: I was somewhat relieved.
  zh: 我有些如释重负。
- start: 1261.851
  end: 1271.013
  speaker: unknown
  en: But the excuse was that I was not going to employ the typical philosophical terminology that I was going to use all of these family images and terms.
  zh: 但他的借口是我不打算使用典型的哲学术语，而是要使用所有这些家庭的比喻和术语。
- start: 1271.113
  end: 1273.194
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, that's what Scripture and our tradition do.
  zh: 嗯，这正是圣经和我们的传统所做的。
- start: 1273.194
  end: 1287.796
  speaker: unknown
  en: The second thing was also that I realized that sometimes it takes an outsider to show us insiders what we have come to take for granted and how much we have assumed.
  zh: 第二件事是我意识到，有时需要一个局外人来向我们这些局内人展示我们已经认为理所当然的东西，以及我们假设了多少。
- start: 1287.796
  end: 1293.658
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because I thought if there's anything inoffensive in our faith, it is God as Father.
  zh: 因为我认为如果我们的信仰中有什么无可厚非的，那就是神作为父。
- start: 1293.798
  end: 1295.858
  speaker: unknown
  en: Until I realized that no.
  zh: 直到我意识到并非如此。
- start: 1295.979
  end: 1307.882
  speaker: unknown
  en: What Jesus did was to launch something of a revolution in the history of world religions by teaching his disciples to pray in a way that not even the most devout rabbis ever dared to address the deity.
  zh: 耶稣所做的是在世界宗教史上发起了一场革命，他教导门徒以一种连最虔诚的拉比都不敢用来称呼神的方式祷告。
- start: 1308.583
  end: 1310.403
  speaker: unknown
  en: Our Father who art in heaven.
  zh: 我们在天上的父。
- start: 1310.606
  end: 1317.768
  speaker: unknown
  en: Referring to God as Father so many times, many more than we find in the entire Hebrew Bible.
  zh: 多次称神为父，比我们在整个希伯来圣经中发现的还要多。
- start: 1318.008
  end: 1330.953
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so what he shows us is not just that it is alright to apply the label Father to our Creator, but that the identity of God is simply not reducible to Creator.
  zh: 因此，他向我们展示的不仅仅是可以用父这个称呼来称呼我们的创造者，而且神的身份根本不能简化为创造者。
- start: 1330.953
  end: 1335.734
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because that would make God's identity dependent upon a creation.
  zh: 因为那样会使神的身份依赖于被造物。
- start: 1335.994
  end: 1338.035
  speaker: unknown
  en: For there to be creatures.
  zh: 为了有被造物的存在。
- start: 1339.088
  end: 1346.334
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so suddenly you step back and realize that long apart from God creating, God is God.
  zh: 所以你突然退后一步，意识到在神创造之前很久，神就是神。
- start: 1346.395
  end: 1349.758
  speaker: unknown
  en: But who is God apart from our Creator?
  zh: 但除了是我们的创造者，神是谁？
- start: 1349.758
  end: 1351.019
  speaker: unknown
  en: We wouldn't know.
  zh: 我们不会知道。
- start: 1351.019
  end: 1353.4
  speaker: unknown
  en: We couldn't scale the heights of heaven.
  zh: 我们无法攀登天堂的高度。
- start: 1353.841
  end: 1364.541
  speaker: unknown
  en: But even though we couldn't scale the heights of heaven in his merciful love, he stooped down in his condescending love to show us what we could never discover on our own.
  zh: 但即使我们无法凭借祂的仁慈之爱攀登天堂的高度，祂也俯就下来，以祂屈尊的爱向我们显明我们自己永远无法发现的事。
- start: 1364.601
  end: 1367.063
  speaker: unknown
  en: Who he is from all eternity.
  zh: 祂从永恒以来是谁。
- start: 1367.084
  end: 1370.026
  speaker: unknown
  en: That Father is more than a noun, it's a verb.
  zh: 「父」不仅仅是一个名词，它也是一个动词。
- start: 1370.067
  end: 1373.47
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because from all eternity he is fathering.
  zh: 因为从永恒开始，祂就在行使父职。
- start: 1373.47
  end: 1375.433
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's why the Son isn't younger than the Father.
  zh: 这就是为什么圣子不比圣父年轻。
- start: 1375.433
  end: 1377.335
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's not smaller than the Father.
  zh: 祂不比圣父渺小。
- start: 1377.335
  end: 1382.3
  speaker: unknown
  en: He is God from God, light from light, true light, because he is begotten, not made.
  zh: 祂是出于神的神，出于光的光，真光，因为祂是受生的，不是被造的。
- start: 1382.3
  end: 1384.762
  speaker: unknown
  en: He is consubstantial with the Father.
  zh: 祂与圣父同质。
- start: 1385.077
  end: 1393.182
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so Father is a noun, it's a verb, it's revealing to us that the first person doesn't lord it over the second person.
  zh: 因此，「父」是一个名词，也是一个动词，它向我们揭示第一位格并不凌驾于第二位格之上。
- start: 1393.203
  end: 1399.067
  speaker: unknown
  en: He makes his life a gift of love which he lavishes upon the Son from all eternity.
  zh: 祂使自己的生命成为爱的礼物，从永恒开始就慷慨地赐予圣子。
- start: 1399.067
  end: 1413.957
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the Son as the Son does what sons do, and that is he images the Father with the same dynamism from all eternity by not only accepting that gift of love, but by returning it, loving the Father as the Father has loved the Son.
  zh: 而圣子作为儿子做儿子所做的事，就是从永恒开始以同样的动力反映圣父的形象，不仅接受那爱的礼物，还回报它，像圣父爱圣子那样爱圣父。
- start: 1414.309
  end: 1419.211
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so what do we call the love of the Father for the Son and the love of the Son for the Father?
  zh: 那么，我们如何称呼圣父对圣子的爱和圣子对圣父的爱呢？
- start: 1419.211
  end: 1420.631
  speaker: unknown
  en: The Holy Spirit.
  zh: 圣灵。
- start: 1420.771
  end: 1424.913
  speaker: unknown
  en: More than the power of love, the Holy Spirit is the person of love.
  zh: 圣灵不仅是爱的力量，更是爱的位格。
- start: 1424.913
  end: 1433.475
  speaker: unknown
  en: And suddenly we can see why we're looking at something that is more of a family than the Hahns could ever be, or any other household.
  zh: 突然间，我们可以看到为什么我们所看到的比哈恩家族或任何其他家庭更像一个家庭。
- start: 1433.736
  end: 1439.877
  speaker: unknown
  en: But we're also discovering what it means for us to have been made in God's image and likeness.
  zh: 但我们也在发现我们按神的形象和样式被造意味着什么。
- start: 1440.578
  end: 1444.179
  speaker: unknown
  en: For us to have also been redeemed by Christ.
  zh: 我们也被基督救赎。
- start: 1444.884
  end: 1452.368
  speaker: unknown
  en: For us to have been given the Holy Spirit that we could be sanctified, that we could become holy, that we could become saints.
  zh: 我们被赐予圣灵，使我们能成圣，能成为圣洁，能成为圣徒。
- start: 1453.689
  end: 1466.216
  speaker: unknown
  en: So often we hear people say, well, I prefer God, the Creator, the Redeemer, and the Sanctifier, because then it doesn't get us involved in these other terms that are controversial and problematic to some.
  zh: 我们经常听到人们说，嗯，我更喜欢称神为创造者、救赎者和圣化者，因为这样就不会涉及那些对某些人来说有争议和问题的其他术语。
- start: 1467.156
  end: 1481.382
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, I mean, we should also thank God for being our Creator, our Redeemer, and Sanctifier, but we should distinguish between what God has done and who God is, and how it is we discover who God is precisely because of what He's done.
  zh: 嗯，我的意思是，我们也应该感谢神是我们的创造者、救赎者和圣化者，但我们应该区分神所做的和神是谁，以及我们如何正是因为祂所做的而发现神是谁。
- start: 1481.382
  end: 1491.066
  speaker: unknown
  en: But only when we go back and look at what He's done for us, in the light of who He is to us, do we really come to understand it.
  zh: 但只有当我们回顾祂为我们所做的，并以祂对我们的身份为亮光来审视时，我们才能真正理解。
- start: 1491.566
  end: 1496.628
  speaker: unknown
  en: So just take those three categories, for example, Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier.
  zh: 所以就拿这三个类别为例，创造者、救赎者和圣化者。
- start: 1496.872
  end: 1500.673
  speaker: unknown
  en: At one level, we understand what it means for God to be our Creator.
  zh: 在某个层面上，我们理解神作为我们的创造者意味着什么。
- start: 1500.954
  end: 1503.755
  speaker: unknown
  en: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
  zh: 起初，神创造天地。
- start: 1503.755
  end: 1504.555
  speaker: unknown
  en: How?
  zh: 如何创造的？
- start: 1504.555
  end: 1523.102
  speaker: unknown
  en: God said, let there be light, let there be this, let there be that, and by the power of His Word, all things came to be, until suddenly we come to Genesis 126. And there we read how God spoke, let us make man in our image after our likeness, and He makes man male and female.
  zh: 神说，要有光，要有这个，要有那个，借着祂道的能力，万物就都造成了，直到我们突然来到创世记1:26。在那里我们读到神如何说，让我们照着我们的形象，按着我们的样式造人，祂造男造女。
- start: 1523.203
  end: 1526.804
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, didn't He make the other creatures with gender differences?
  zh: 嗯，祂不是也造了其他有性别差异的生物吗？
- start: 1527.037
  end: 1529.099
  speaker: unknown
  en: The dogs and the cats and the horses and the cows?
  zh: 狗、猫、马和牛？
- start: 1529.099
  end: 1537.847
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, yes, but nothing is said about male and female with regard to the other creatures, because for them, it's just simply biological.
  zh: 嗯，是的，但关于其他生物并没有提到雄性和雌性，因为对它们来说，这只是简单的生物学特征。
- start: 1537.947
  end: 1543.032
  speaker: unknown
  en: But for us, there's a mystery which is irreducibly theological.
  zh: 但对我们来说，这是一个不可简化的神学奥秘。
- start: 1543.332
  end: 1557.634
  speaker: unknown
  en: For God said, let us make man in our image after our likeness, and so being man is more than just having a soul by which our intellect knows the truth, and our will chooses the good, and we enter into love.
  zh: 因为神说，让我们照着我们的形象，按着我们的样式造人，所以作为人不仅仅是拥有一个灵魂，通过它我们的智力认识真理，我们的意志选择善，我们进入爱。
- start: 1557.634
  end: 1562.036
  speaker: unknown
  en: That is an essential part of what it means to bear the image and likeness of God.
  zh: 这是承载神的形象和样式的本质部分。
- start: 1562.916
  end: 1586.185
  speaker: unknown
  en: But what we discover, especially when we read the Old Testament in light of the New, is that being made male and female in Genesis 1, and being called into the marital covenant there in Genesis 2, unveils to us the deepest dimension of the interpersonal love, not only of God, but what it means for us to bear the image of God, and the likeness as well.
  zh: 但我们发现，特别是当我们以新约的亮光来读旧约时，在创世记第1章中被造为男性和女性，以及在创世记第2章中被召入婚姻之约，向我们揭示了人际之爱的最深层面，不仅是神的爱，还有我们承载神的形象和样式的意义。
- start: 1586.585
  end: 1591.587
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because there in Genesis 2, we read about how the two become one flesh.
  zh: 因为在创世记第2章中，我们读到两个人如何成为一体。
- start: 1591.967
  end: 1605.271
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I can relate, because in our first couple of years of marriage, as we ratified and renewed our covenant, the two became one flesh, and the one that we became was so real, that nine months later we had to come up with a name.
  zh: 我能理解这一点，因为在我们结婚的头几年，当我们确认并更新我们的盟约时，二人成为一体，我们成为的这个一体是如此真实，以至于九个月后我们不得不给它起个名字。
- start: 1605.806
  end: 1612.249
  speaker: unknown
  en: Michael Scott Hahn, our firstborn, was the embodiment of our oneness, the incarnation of our love.
  zh: 我们的长子迈克尔·斯科特·哈恩就是我们合一的化身，我们爱的化身。
- start: 1612.289
  end: 1620.833
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in the process of the two becoming one, we became three in one, a kind of triunity, which is more than a numerical coincidence.
  zh: 在二人成为一体的过程中，我们成为三位一体，这种三位一体不仅仅是数字上的巧合。
- start: 1621.173
  end: 1636.41
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is a creaturely reflection of a divine mystery that might seem lofty, but it lures us into something that is pure love, something that we will have eternity to come to a deeper appreciation of.
  zh: 这是对一个神圣奥秘的被造物反映，这个奥秘可能看起来很崇高，但它吸引我们进入纯粹的爱，我们将有永恒的时间来更深入地欣赏这种爱。
- start: 1636.652
  end: 1642.319
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so for God to be our creator is something more than just our maker.
  zh: 因此，神作为我们的创造者不仅仅是我们的制造者。
- start: 1642.4
  end: 1646.065
  speaker: unknown
  en: He has made us to bear the image and likeness of God.
  zh: 祂造我们是为了承载神的形象和样式。
- start: 1646.445
  end: 1661.771
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so when we come to understand what he does as our creator, in the light of who he is as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, we're going to see that marriage is not a man-made institution, that the family is not reducible to the biological or even the sociological.
  zh: 因此，当我们在祂作为圣父、圣子和圣灵的身份的亮光中理解祂作为我们创造者所做的事时，我们就会看到婚姻不是人为的制度，家庭也不能简化为生物学或社会学的概念。
- start: 1661.771
  end: 1669.694
  speaker: unknown
  en: It really is something that is meant to provide theological wisdom, not just for scholars, but for peasants.
  zh: 它确实是为了提供神学智慧，不仅是为学者，也是为普通百姓。
- start: 1670.066
  end: 1678.331
  speaker: unknown
  en: It gives access to all of God's children to come to understand who he is and who we are as his beloved children.
  zh: 它让所有神的儿女都能理解祂是谁，以及我们作为祂心爱的儿女是谁。
- start: 1678.331
  end: 1684.575
  speaker: unknown
  en: In effect, God has given us all fathers so that we can come to know him for who he is.
  zh: 实际上，神给了我们所有人父亲，这样我们就能认识祂的真实身份。
- start: 1684.976
  end: 1691.5
  speaker: unknown
  en: And yet, he's given us all fathers who have flaws, who have failings.
  zh: 然而，祂给我们的所有父亲都有缺陷，都有失败。
- start: 1691.5
  end: 1693.141
  speaker: unknown
  en: I mean, except for my kids.
  zh: 我是说，除了我的孩子们。
- start: 1693.763
  end: 1698.645
  speaker: unknown
  en: No, no, even my kids have a dad who has flaws and failures.
  zh: 不，不，即使是我的孩子也有一个有缺陷和失败的父亲。
- start: 1698.645
  end: 1708.609
  speaker: unknown
  en: But he's given us fathers who are flawed, not only so that we can forgive them, but so that we'll come to understand that there is only one true and perfect father.
  zh: 但祂给我们有缺陷的父亲，不仅是为了让我们能原谅他们，也是为了让我们明白只有一位真正完美的父亲。
- start: 1709.169
  end: 1722.817
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so he's given us all fathers so that we can come to know him for who he is, but he's given us fathers with flaws so that we'll never settle for anything less than the best, the only perfect Abba father is what he longs for us to discover.
  zh: 因此，祂给了我们所有人父亲，让我们能认识祂的真实身份，但祂给我们有缺陷的父亲，是为了让我们永远不会满足于次好的，祂渴望我们发现唯一完美的阿爸父。
- start: 1722.817
  end: 1736.882
  speaker: unknown
  en: So all of our fathers and all of our father figures, our teachers, our coaches, our priests and pastors, all of them are like rungs in a ladder by which we ascend to discover the face of our one true and perfect father.
  zh: 所以我们所有的父亲和所有的父亲形象，我们的老师、教练、神父和牧师，他们都像梯子上的横档，我们通过它们攀登，发现我们唯一真实完美的父亲的面容。
- start: 1737.102
  end: 1749.193
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in that moment, we will know who we are as his beloved sons and daughters for all eternity, including a family that is not merely human or earthly, but truly divine and heavenly.
  zh: 在那一刻，我们将知道我们作为祂永恒的心爱儿女是谁，包括一个不仅仅是人类或世俗的家庭，而是真正神圣和天国的家庭。
- start: 1749.193
  end: 1755.976
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's just reflecting upon what God has done as our creator in the light of who the Holy Trinity is.
  zh: 这只是在三位一体神的身份的亮光中反思神作为我们创造者所做的事。
- start: 1756.516
  end: 1760.698
  speaker: unknown
  en: Let's move to the second category, and that is God the Redeemer.
  zh: 让我们转到第二个类别，那就是神作为救赎者。
- start: 1760.838
  end: 1764.26
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because at one level, I think we understand what it means to be redeemed.
  zh: 因为在某个层面上，我认为我们理解被救赎的意义。
- start: 1764.26
  end: 1771.663
  speaker: unknown
  en: It means to be redeemed from sin, from iniquity, from judgment and condemnation and guilt and so on.
  zh: 它意味着从罪恶、不义、审判、定罪和内疚等中被救赎。
- start: 1772.017
  end: 1776.72
  speaker: unknown
  en: But I think we often tend to sort of accentuate the wrong syllable.
  zh: 但我认为我们常常倾向于强调错误的音节。
- start: 1776.72
  end: 1786.126
  speaker: unknown
  en: We sort of misunderstand redemption by reducing it to what we're redeemed from, when in fact it's more important to discover what we're redeemed for.
  zh: 我们误解了救赎，将其简化为我们从什么中被救赎，而实际上更重要的是发现我们为了什么被救赎。
- start: 1786.366
  end: 1791.79
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because yes, we are redeemed from sin and guilt and judgment and hell.
  zh: 因为是的，我们确实从罪恶、内疚、审判和地狱中被救赎。
- start: 1791.79
  end: 1794.632
  speaker: unknown
  en: And if that's all redemption is, that's good news.
  zh: 如果这就是救赎的全部，那也是好消息。
- start: 1794.632
  end: 1799.935
  speaker: unknown
  en: But the good news for us as Catholics is even better, because it's what we're redeemed for.
  zh: 但对我们天主教徒来说，好消息更好，因为这关乎我们被救赎是为了什么。
- start: 1800.501
  end: 1814.184
  speaker: unknown
  en: That is, we're redeemed for adoption, for being made partakers of the divine nature, as we read in 2 Peter 1, verse 4. But this is not something easy to understand.
  zh: 也就是说，我们被救赎是为了得着儿子的名分，成为神性的分享者，正如我们在彼得后书1章4节中所读到的。但这并不容易理解。
- start: 1814.384
  end: 1820.905
  speaker: unknown
  en: Both sides, being redeemed from sin or being redeemed for sharing Christ's sonship.
  zh: 两个方面，从罪中被救赎或为分享基督的儿子身份而被救赎。
- start: 1821.146
  end: 1825.647
  speaker: unknown
  en: Look carefully at this idea of being redeemed from sin.
  zh: 仔细看看这个从罪中被救赎的概念。
- start: 1825.787
  end: 1843.909
  speaker: unknown
  en: Once we come to see that what God does in redeeming us is also a reflection of who God eternally is, we're going to see what sin is all about and why God prohibits it and why God punishes it because frankly God knows us better than we know ourselves.
  zh: 一旦我们看到神在救赎我们时所做的也反映了神永恒的本质，我们就会明白罪的本质，以及为什么神禁止罪、惩罚罪，因为坦白说，神比我们更了解我们自己。
- start: 1844.069
  end: 1855.459
  speaker: unknown
  en: He loves us more than we love ourselves and so he only legislates what he knows as an all-knowing, all-perfect Father, what will fulfill his children and what will perfect us.
  zh: 祂爱我们胜过我们爱自己，所以作为全知全能的完美父亲，祂只制定祂知道能成全祂的儿女、使我们完全的法则。
- start: 1855.825
  end: 1859.009
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so he hates sin because he loves us.
  zh: 因此，祂恨恶罪是因为祂爱我们。
- start: 1859.17
  end: 1861.873
  speaker: unknown
  en: In other words, sin is more than broken laws.
  zh: 换句话说，罪不仅仅是违反法律。
- start: 1862.654
  end: 1866.939
  speaker: unknown
  en: Sin is broken lives, broken hearts, broken homes.
  zh: 罪是破碎的生命、破碎的心灵、破碎的家庭。
- start: 1867.14
  end: 1873.869
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this is why ultimately what sin involves is not a breach of contract, but a broken covenant.
  zh: 这就是为什么罪最终涉及的不是违反合同，而是破坏盟约。
- start: 1874.686
  end: 1886.551
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in ancient Israel, they understood the difference between a contract on the one hand and a covenant on the other, more than we do today because we tend to use those terms as though they're synonymous or interchangeable.
  zh: 在古以色列，他们比我们今天更理解合同和盟约之间的区别，因为我们倾向于把这些术语当作同义词或可互换使用。
- start: 1886.891
  end: 1892.034
  speaker: unknown
  en: In a contract, ancient Israelites would understand that you exchange property.
  zh: 在合同中，古以色列人会理解你是在交换财产。
- start: 1892.034
  end: 1894.074
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is yours and that is mine.
  zh: 这是你的，那是我的。
- start: 1894.095
  end: 1897.496
  speaker: unknown
  en: Whereas in a covenant, I am yours and you are mine.
  zh: 而在盟约中，我属于你，你属于我。
- start: 1897.987
  end: 1904.792
  speaker: unknown
  en: In a contract, you exchange promises first and then you sign your name and that name is the sign.
  zh: 在合同中，你先交换承诺，然后签上你的名字，那个名字就是签名。
- start: 1904.792
  end: 1916.34
  speaker: unknown
  en: When you say I give you my word, that word is your name, the signature is the sign of the contract, and once you've exchanged the property, the contract is fulfilled and you can go your separate ways and never have any other dealings.
  zh: 当你说我给你我的承诺时，那个承诺就是你的名字，签名是合同的标志，一旦你交换了财产，合同就履行完毕，你们可以各走各的路，再也不需要有任何往来。
- start: 1916.46
  end: 1935.815
  speaker: unknown
  en: But in a covenant, you don't just give promises, you don't just share property, you invoke the holy name of God and more than my name or your name which is the glue of a contract, God's name, God's holy name becomes the cement that binds the two and makes them one for the rest of their lives and for generations to come.
  zh: 但在盟约中，你不仅仅是给出承诺，不仅仅是分享财产，你还要呼求神的圣名，比起作为合同粘合剂的我的名字或你的名字，神的名字，神的圣名成为将两个人结合在一起的水泥，使他们在余生和世世代代成为一体。
- start: 1935.815
  end: 1947.338
  speaker: unknown
  en: What God has joined, let not man put asunder, is how Jesus describes marriage in Matthew 19. Precisely because it's not merely a contract, it is especially a covenant.
  zh: 「神所配合的，人不可分开」，这是耶稣在马太福音19章中描述婚姻的方式。正是因为它不仅仅是一个合同，它特别是一个盟约。
- start: 1947.659
  end: 1953.54
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so the covenant reflects God's own fatherly purpose for making us his family.
  zh: 因此，这盟约反映了神使我们成为祂家人的父亲心意。
- start: 1953.78
  end: 1962.73
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so we don't really break the covenant so much as we violate it and we come to understand how it is we're really harming ourselves.
  zh: 所以我们并不是真的打破盟约，而是违反了它，我们开始理解我们是如何真正伤害自己的。
- start: 1963.331
  end: 1963.951
  speaker: unknown
  en: What do I mean?
  zh: 我是什么意思？
- start: 1963.951
  end: 1970.776
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, I don't think modern people understand how firmly fixed God's moral law is for us.
  zh: 嗯，我认为现代人不理解神的道德律对我们来说是多么坚定不移。
- start: 1970.776
  end: 1974.718
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's the same as it is in the physical or the material realm.
  zh: 它和物质领域的规律是一样的。
- start: 1974.718
  end: 1984.724
  speaker: unknown
  en: I mean, we know how absurd it would be if we heard about a debate in Congress and both houses were debating whether or not to repeal, say, the law of gravity.
  zh: 我的意思是，我们知道如果听说国会在辩论是否废除，比如说，重力定律，那会有多荒谬。
- start: 1984.944
  end: 1991.588
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know, even if they ended up passing that law unanimously and handing it on to the president.
  zh: 你知道，即使他们最终一致通过了那项法律，并将其交给总统。
- start: 1991.716
  end: 1996.259
  speaker: unknown
  en: We have announced the repeal of the law of gravity and he agrees to sign it into law.
  zh: 我们宣布废除重力定律，他同意签署成为法律。
- start: 1996.259
  end: 2004.605
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so together, they celebrate the repeal of gravity on Monday morning by after signing it, getting up on the roof of the White House and jumping off.
  zh: 于是，他们在星期一早上一起庆祝重力定律的废除，在签署后爬上白宫屋顶跳下来。
- start: 2004.746
  end: 2006.067
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, we know what would happen.
  zh: 嗯，我们知道会发生什么。
- start: 2006.067
  end: 2008.869
  speaker: unknown
  en: They wouldn't break the law of gravity, right?
  zh: 他们不会打破重力定律，对吧？
- start: 2008.869
  end: 2010.43
  speaker: unknown
  en: They would demonstrate it.
  zh: 他们会证明它。
- start: 2010.51
  end: 2019.177
  speaker: unknown
  en: Gravity would break whatever bones of their bodies hit the ground first because in the material realm, these physical laws are permanent.
  zh: 重力会打断他们身体先着地的任何骨头，因为在物质领域，这些物理定律是永恒的。
- start: 2019.177
  end: 2021.478
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're firmly fixed, non-negotiable.
  zh: 它们是坚定不移的，不可协商的。
- start: 2021.57
  end: 2026.712
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, the same thing is true in the realm of the spirit for our souls as much as our bodies.
  zh: 嗯，在灵性领域，对我们的灵魂和身体来说也是如此。
- start: 2027.052
  end: 2030.834
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so the moral law isn't broken as much as it's violated.
  zh: 因此，道德律并不是被打破，而更多是被违反。
- start: 2031.054
  end: 2036.457
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in the process of sinning, we do more than break a contract or break laws.
  zh: 在犯罪的过程中，我们做的不仅仅是违反合同或法律。
- start: 2036.457
  end: 2037.537
  speaker: unknown
  en: We really break hearts.
  zh: 我们真的伤了心。
- start: 2037.537
  end: 2040.998
  speaker: unknown
  en: We break homes and lives are shattered as a result.
  zh: 我们破坏家庭，生活因此支离破碎。
- start: 2041.239
  end: 2051.443
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is how it is that God as a father comes to redeem us as prodigal sons and daughters, as rebels, as runaways through the son.
  zh: 这就是神作为父亲如何通过圣子来救赎我们这些浪子浪女、叛逆者和逃亡者。
- start: 2051.972
  end: 2055.473
  speaker: unknown
  en: It isn't how much he suffers on the cross that saves us.
  zh: 拯救我们的不是祂在十字架上受多少苦。
- start: 2055.493
  end: 2057.493
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's rather how much he loves.
  zh: 而是祂有多爱我们。
- start: 2057.833
  end: 2060.133
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's how much he offers to the father.
  zh: 是祂向父献上了多少。
- start: 2060.293
  end: 2067.475
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he gives to God the father immeasurably more in his own love than all of our sins have taken away.
  zh: 祂以自己的爱给予父神的，远远超过我们所有的罪所夺走的。
- start: 2067.815
  end: 2071.235
  speaker: unknown
  en: So in the process, he fulfills the covenant.
  zh: 因此在这个过程中，祂成全了盟约。
- start: 2071.235
  end: 2073.275
  speaker: unknown
  en: He renews this bond of love.
  zh: 祂更新了这爱的纽带。
- start: 2073.416
  end: 2082.157
  speaker: unknown
  en: He redeems us not just from hellfire and punishment, but he redeems us for sharing his own divine sonship.
  zh: 祂救赎我们不仅是脱离地狱之火和惩罚，更是为了让我们分享祂自己的神儿子的身份。
- start: 2082.498
  end: 2091.642
  speaker: unknown
  en: What a difference it makes to realize that we're not just redeemed from sin, but we're redeemed for sharing Christ's own divine sonship.
  zh: 意识到我们不仅从罪中被救赎，更是为了分享基督自己的神子身份，这真是天壤之别。
- start: 2092.243
  end: 2103.848
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now I remember being invited to participate in a radio debate because there was a fellow in Pittsburgh on Word FM who was sort of targeting Catholics.
  zh: 我记得我被邀请参加一个电台辩论，因为匹兹堡的Word FM电台有一个人在针对天主教徒。
- start: 2103.848
  end: 2106.569
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I heard him at times and I would hear about him.
  zh: 我有时会听到他，也会听到关于他的事。
- start: 2106.749
  end: 2116.841
  speaker: unknown
  en: And apparently he heard about me because he called me and asked me if I would debate him on air during this live show during rush hour.
  zh: 显然他也听说了我，因为他打电话给我，问我是否愿意在高峰时段的直播节目中与他辩论。
- start: 2117.022
  end: 2122.865
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, no Don, I won't debate you, but I will dialogue with you as a brother in Christ.
  zh: 我说，不，唐，我不会与你辩论，但我愿意作为基督里的弟兄与你对话。
- start: 2123.006
  end: 2124.107
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he said, whatever.
  zh: 他说，随便吧。
- start: 2124.107
  end: 2125.087
  speaker: unknown
  en: What difference does it make?
  zh: 有什么区别吗？
- start: 2125.087
  end: 2127.649
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, okay, here's the condition.
  zh: 我说，好的，这是条件。
- start: 2127.749
  end: 2133.552
  speaker: unknown
  en: I will come on at three o'clock provided you let me take you out at one o'clock for lunch.
  zh: 我会在三点钟来，前提是你让我在一点钟带你出去吃午饭。
- start: 2134.013
  end: 2135.974
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he said, sure, free lunch.
  zh: 他说，当然，免费午餐。
- start: 2136.154
  end: 2140.317
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so we went to the lobby of the building where the radio station was and I took him out.
  zh: 于是我们去了电台所在大楼的大厅，我带他出去了。
- start: 2140.698
  end: 2144.221
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we ate and about halfway through I said, okay, tell me about your family.
  zh: 我们吃着饭，大约吃到一半时，我说，好吧，跟我说说你的家庭。
- start: 2144.221
  end: 2145.622
  speaker: unknown
  en: Tell me about your profession.
  zh: 告诉我你的职业。
- start: 2145.622
  end: 2146.783
  speaker: unknown
  en: You were once a Lutheran minister.
  zh: 你曾经是路德宗牧师。
- start: 2146.783
  end: 2149.405
  speaker: unknown
  en: And out comes the wallet, the family pictures.
  zh: 他拿出钱包，里面有家人的照片。
- start: 2149.405
  end: 2154.929
  speaker: unknown
  en: And suddenly we discover we also have friends in common because I shared I was once a Protestant minister.
  zh: 突然我们发现我们还有共同的朋友，因为我分享了我曾经是新教牧师。
- start: 2154.989
  end: 2158.492
  speaker: unknown
  en: He asked me about my family and my experience in ministry.
  zh: 他问我关于我的家庭和我在事工中的经历。
- start: 2158.492
  end: 2160.934
  speaker: unknown
  en: And suddenly a friendship was being formed.
  zh: 突然间，一段友谊正在形成。
- start: 2161.334
  end: 2168.359
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the conversation got really wonderful until he looked at his watch and realized that the show was supposed to start in about 14 minutes.
  zh: 谈话进行得非常愉快，直到他看了看手表，意识到节目应该在14分钟后开始。
- start: 2169.227
  end: 2170.588
  speaker: unknown
  en: So we quickly paid the bill.
  zh: 于是我们迅速结了账。
- start: 2170.588
  end: 2171.968
  speaker: unknown
  en: We got on the elevator.
  zh: 我们乘电梯上楼。
- start: 2172.048
  end: 2176.89
  speaker: unknown
  en: We went up to the floor where the studio was and the technicians were panicking.
  zh: 我们上到录音室所在的楼层，技术人员都慌了。
- start: 2176.89
  end: 2177.55
  speaker: unknown
  en: Where have you been?
  zh: 你们去哪里了？
- start: 2177.55
  end: 2179.13
  speaker: unknown
  en: We couldn't reach you, you know.
  zh: 你知道，我们联系不上你们。
- start: 2179.271
  end: 2183.292
  speaker: unknown
  en: So we got our headphones on and then we jumped right into the conversation.
  zh: 于是我们戴上耳机，直接开始了对话。
- start: 2183.292
  end: 2189.734
  speaker: unknown
  en: It was supposed to be the first hour of the three-hour program, but it went so well he invited me to the second hour.
  zh: 原本只是三小时节目的第一个小时，但进行得很顺利，他邀请我继续第二个小时。
- start: 2189.907
  end: 2203.453
  speaker: unknown
  en: And by the end of the second hour we were finally getting around to our differences because I kept pointing out the fact that we as Christians, whether we're Protestant or Catholic, share so much more in common than where we diverge.
  zh: 到第二个小时结束时，我们终于开始讨论我们的分歧，因为我一直在指出，作为基督徒，无论是新教还是天主教，我们的共同点远远多于分歧。
- start: 2203.453
  end: 2213.478
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we so often fixate on our differences we don't recognize how much more the common ground is and how much better it is to stand on that common ground to focus on the differences.
  zh: 我们经常只关注我们的分歧，没有认识到我们有多少共同点，以及站在这些共同点上来关注分歧会有多好。
- start: 2213.478
  end: 2218.54
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because the disagreements are not unimportant, but our agreements are even greater.
  zh: 因为分歧并非不重要，但我们的共识更加重要。
- start: 2218.866
  end: 2221.769
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so at the end of the second hour I mentioned something to him.
  zh: 所以在第二个小时结束时，我向他提到了一件事。
- start: 2221.769
  end: 2235.421
  speaker: unknown
  en: Just in passing as we were running out of time I said, you know, there we do come to one important difference that you speak about how we're redeemed from sin, I would speak about how redemption is more than just being forgiven.
  zh: 就在时间快用完时，我随口说道，你知道，我们确实有一个重要的分歧，你谈论我们如何从罪中被救赎，而我会说救赎不仅仅是被宽恕。
- start: 2235.581
  end: 2236.902
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he rolled his eyes.
  zh: 他翻了个白眼。
- start: 2236.902
  end: 2240.886
  speaker: unknown
  en: Of course the radio audience couldn't hear that, but I could see it.
  zh: 当然，电台听众听不到这个，但我看到了。
- start: 2240.966
  end: 2243.869
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he said, wait, I'm going to ask you to stick around for the third hour.
  zh: 他说，等等，我要请你留下来继续第三个小时。
- start: 2243.869
  end: 2245.57
  speaker: unknown
  en: You've got to explain that.
  zh: 你必须解释一下这个。
- start: 2245.945
  end: 2250.367
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so we came back after the break and I had prayed during the break, help me to know what to say.
  zh: 于是我们休息后回来，我在休息时祷告，求主帮助我知道该说什么。
- start: 2250.367
  end: 2256.089
  speaker: unknown
  en: And as we came back he said, what is there anything more than being forgiven?
  zh: 当我们回来时，他说，除了被宽恕还有什么吗？
- start: 2256.609
  end: 2260.231
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, okay, well, two examples came to mind during the news break.
  zh: 我说，好的，在新闻休息时我想到了两个例子。
- start: 2260.231
  end: 2272.335
  speaker: unknown
  en: On the one hand, just last week I had car trouble and I took my car down to the BP station at the bottom of the hill where Bill is a great mechanic as well as a good friend and he identified two different problems.
  zh: 一方面，就在上周我的车出了问题，我把车开到山脚下的BP加油站，那里的比尔既是个很棒的机械师，也是个好朋友，他发现了两个不同的问题。
- start: 2272.396
  end: 2282.025
  speaker: unknown
  en: So I left the car and he fixed it and I came back and he was gone the next day and I paid for the repairs and I drove it home and I realized that one problem was fixed, but not the other.
  zh: 所以我把车留下，他修好了，我回来时他第二天不在，我付了修理费，把车开回家，然后我意识到一个问题解决了，但另一个没有。
- start: 2282.025
  end: 2283.385
  speaker: unknown
  en: I could still hear it.
  zh: 我还能听到那个问题。
- start: 2283.526
  end: 2286.947
  speaker: unknown
  en: So I dropped it off again the next morning and I said, did you get to that?
  zh: 所以第二天早上我又把车送去，我说，你解决那个问题了吗？
- start: 2286.947
  end: 2288.587
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he said, no, I forgot.
  zh: 他说，没有，我忘了。
- start: 2288.588
  end: 2289.628
  speaker: unknown
  en: Oh, would you forgive me?
  zh: 哦，你能原谅我吗？
- start: 2289.628
  end: 2292.009
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, Bill, of course I forgive you.
  zh: 我说，比尔，我当然原谅你。
- start: 2292.109
  end: 2296.569
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, Don, I had no problem forgiving my friend, but I didn't adopt him.
  zh: 我对唐说，我毫不犹豫地原谅了我的朋友，但我没有收养他。
- start: 2296.569
  end: 2305.153
  speaker: unknown
  en: I didn't fill out adoption papers and write him into my last will and I didn't drive him home and introduce him to my own kids as though he had become their sibling.
  zh: 我没有填写收养文件，也没有把他写进我的遗嘱，我没有把他带回家介绍给我的孩子们，好像他成了他们的兄弟姐妹。
- start: 2305.753
  end: 2307.834
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, one thing is to be forgiven.
  zh: 我说，被宽恕是一回事。
- start: 2307.834
  end: 2309.775
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's another thing to be adopted.
  zh: 被收养又是另一回事。
- start: 2309.895
  end: 2312.216
  speaker: unknown
  en: I said, another example came to mind.
  zh: 我说，我想到了另一个例子。
- start: 2312.296
  end: 2320.3
  speaker: unknown
  en: Picture a fellow in prison on death row for all kinds of enormous crimes and today the day has come for his execution.
  zh: 想象一个因各种重大罪行而被关在死囚牢房的人，今天是他执行死刑的日子。
- start: 2320.45
  end: 2329.035
  speaker: unknown
  en: Whatever we think about capital punishment, this poor soul is not only doomed to die, but he's also got some disease for which there is no cure.
  zh: 无论我们对死刑有什么看法，这个可怜的灵魂不仅注定要死，而且还患有一种无法治愈的疾病。
- start: 2329.096
  end: 2330.016
  speaker: unknown
  en: Plus he's an orphan.
  zh: 而且他是个孤儿。
- start: 2330.016
  end: 2331.657
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's got no family, no friends.
  zh: 他没有家人，没有朋友。
- start: 2331.657
  end: 2336.961
  speaker: unknown
  en: The only people who want to see him are his creditors because he's got a lot of deep debt.
  zh: 唯一想见他的人是他的债主，因为他欠了很多债。
- start: 2337.301
  end: 2346.387
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so imagine this guy walking down the hall to the chamber and then he hears the phone, he picks it up and the voice of the governor announces, I've granted you a pardon.
  zh: 所以想象这个人走向刑场的路上，突然听到电话铃声，他接起电话，州长的声音宣布：我已经赦免了你。
- start: 2346.821
  end: 2358.284
  speaker: unknown
  en: I said, Don, I would call that good news, but I wouldn't call it great news because now he's free to leave the prison and die from the disease as the creditors try to get him to pay debts that he cannot afford.
  zh: 我说，唐，我会称这为好消息，但我不会称之为伟大的消息，因为现在他可以自由离开监狱，但会死于疾病，而债主们还会试图让他偿还他无力承担的债务。
- start: 2358.593
  end: 2365.299
  speaker: unknown
  en: I said, but suppose the governor went on to say, not only have I granted you a pardon, but we've discovered a cure for this illness.
  zh: 我说，但假设州长接着说，我不仅赦免了你，而且我们还发现了这种疾病的治疗方法。
- start: 2365.32
  end: 2366.761
  speaker: unknown
  en: Don't worry about paying for that.
  zh: 不用担心付费的问题。
- start: 2366.761
  end: 2368.243
  speaker: unknown
  en: There are going to be a doctor.
  zh: 会有医生。
- start: 2368.243
  end: 2371.165
  speaker: unknown
  en: There are going to be physicians outside the prison in the yard.
  zh: 监狱院子里会有医生。
- start: 2371.165
  end: 2374.369
  speaker: unknown
  en: They'll give you the cure and you'll see that white stretch limo.
  zh: 他们会给你治疗，你会看到那辆白色加长豪华轿车。
- start: 2374.369
  end: 2376.21
  speaker: unknown
  en: I filled out adoption papers.
  zh: 我已经填好了收养文件。
- start: 2376.21
  end: 2379.614
  speaker: unknown
  en: You're coming to my house and I've adopted you into my family.
  zh: 你要来我家，我已经收养你进入我的家庭。
- start: 2379.614
  end: 2382.196
  speaker: unknown
  en: I said, Don, that's what I would call great news.
  zh: 我说，唐，这才是我所说的伟大消息。
- start: 2382.501
  end: 2388.944
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, that's the gospel according to the Catholic church that we're not just redeemed from sin.
  zh: 我说，这就是公教会所说的福音，我们不仅从罪中被救赎。
- start: 2388.944
  end: 2400.609
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're redeemed for sharing Christ's divine sonship, coming home into the family of God, discovering that's our one true home and nothing less than that.
  zh: 我们被救赎是为了分享基督的神圣儿子身份，回到神的家庭，发现这是我们唯一真正的家，绝不亚于此。
- start: 2400.61
  end: 2404.071
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's almost too good to be true, except it's all true.
  zh: 这几乎好得令人难以置信，但它全是真的。
- start: 2404.351
  end: 2406.132
  speaker: unknown
  en: And it's the fullness of truth.
  zh: 这是真理的完全。
- start: 2407.273
  end: 2410.454
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he looked at me and he said, I have no problem with any of that.
  zh: 他看着我说，我对这些都没有问题。
- start: 2410.635
  end: 2415.657
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, of course you don't. But the fact is we don't hear that outside of our tradition.
  zh: 我说，当然你没问题。但事实是，在我们的传统之外，我们听不到这些。
- start: 2415.958
  end: 2418.479
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then he said, you know, to be honest, you're right.
  zh: 然后他说，你知道，说实话，你是对的。
- start: 2418.479
  end: 2424.862
  speaker: unknown
  en: But at the same time, he said, I know a lot of Catholics who don't seem to be familiar with that other side of the good news.
  zh: 但同时，他说，我认识很多天主教徒，他们似乎不熟悉好消息的这一面。
- start: 2425.983
  end: 2427.623
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I had to admit he was right.
  zh: 我不得不承认他是对的。
- start: 2427.984
  end: 2432.186
  speaker: unknown
  en: In fact, he ended up taking me out for dinner and we've become good friends.
  zh: 事实上，最后他请我出去吃晚饭，我们成了好朋友。
- start: 2432.186
  end: 2434.047
  speaker: unknown
  en: We've stayed in touch ever since.
  zh: 从那以后我们一直保持联系。
- start: 2434.067
  end: 2452.864
  speaker: unknown
  en: But I want to encourage you to recognize how important it is for us as Catholic Christians to enter into the new evangelization, to come to a deeper appreciation for who God is, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit and all that God does as our Creator and our Redeemer.
  zh: 但我想鼓励你们认识到，作为公教会基督徒，参与新福传是多么重要，要更深入地认识神是谁，圣父、圣子和圣灵，以及神作为我们的创造者和救赎者所做的一切。
- start: 2453.464
  end: 2455.245
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the third category is what?
  zh: 第三个类别是什么？
- start: 2455.245
  end: 2456.565
  speaker: unknown
  en: Our sanctifier.
  zh: 我们的圣化者。
- start: 2456.906
  end: 2459.407
  speaker: unknown
  en: What does it mean to be sanctified?
  zh: 被圣化是什么意思？
- start: 2459.407
  end: 2469.957
  speaker: unknown
  en: It means to be made holy, not just to be forgiven, not just to be adopted, but to be filled with the fullness of God's own love, God's own life.
  zh: 它意味着成为圣洁，不仅仅是被宽恕，不仅仅是被收养，而是被神自己的爱、神自己的生命的丰盛所充满。
- start: 2470.717
  end: 2473.218
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now, this is not something that we can do for God.
  zh: 现在，这不是我们能为神做的事。
- start: 2473.218
  end: 2484.221
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's precisely what God alone can do for us as our Father, through the Son, but especially in and through and by the Holy Spirit.
  zh: 这正是只有神作为我们的父，通过圣子，但特别是在圣灵里、通过圣灵、借着圣灵才能为我们做的事。
- start: 2484.921
  end: 2491.423
  speaker: unknown
  en: So I believe in the Holy Spirit, and that's why I believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic church.
  zh: 所以我相信圣灵，这就是为什么我相信唯一、神圣、大公、使徒的教会。
- start: 2491.704
  end: 2499.05
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because the church is not an institution that we have formed to welcome people who have been pardoned from their sin.
  zh: 因为教会不是我们为欢迎那些从罪中被赦免的人而建立的机构。
- start: 2499.791
  end: 2503.674
  speaker: unknown
  en: The church is, in fact, the family that God is fathering.
  zh: 事实上，教会是神正在养育的家庭。
- start: 2504.054
  end: 2510.7
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is Christ fulfilling his promise when he said, on this rock I will build my church.
  zh: 这是基督实现祂的应许，当祂说，我要把我的教会建造在这磐石上。
- start: 2511.441
  end: 2516.105
  speaker: unknown
  en: Notice he says, I will build my church.
  zh: 注意祂说，我要建造我的教会。
- start: 2516.105
  end: 2517.005
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's not our church.
  zh: 这不是我们的教会。
- start: 2517.005
  end: 2517.806
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're not the builders.
  zh: 我们不是建造者。
- start: 2517.806
  end: 2518.787
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're the tools.
  zh: 我们是工具。
- start: 2518.787
  end: 2520.468
  speaker: unknown
  en: He's the master builder.
  zh: 祂是主要建造者。
- start: 2520.763
  end: 2521.683
  speaker: unknown
  en: It isn't our church.
  zh: 这不是我们的教会。
- start: 2521.683
  end: 2522.663
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's his.
  zh: 这是祂的。
- start: 2522.663
  end: 2530.705
  speaker: unknown
  en: And it's not on this rock I will build my church's. There is one church because there is one God, one Father of us all.
  zh: 而且不是「在这磐石上我要建造我的众教会」。只有一个教会，因为只有一位神，我们所有人的一位父。
- start: 2530.705
  end: 2534.306
  speaker: unknown
  en: What do you call a man who fathers two or three or four families?
  zh: 你会怎么称呼一个养育两个、三个或四个家庭的人？
- start: 2534.666
  end: 2535.526
  speaker: unknown
  en: I grew up in Pittsburgh.
  zh: 我在匹兹堡长大。
- start: 2535.526
  end: 2539.127
  speaker: unknown
  en: We'd call a guy like that a jerk, a scoundrel.
  zh: 我们会称这样的人为混蛋，无赖。
- start: 2539.647
  end: 2549.315
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so the glory of God's own fatherly reputation is staked in the fact that he is fathering one family, and that his Son is fulfilling that one promise on this rock.
  zh: 因此，神自己父亲般的声誉的荣耀在于祂正在养育一个家庭，而祂的儿子正在这磐石上实现那一个应许。
- start: 2549.315
  end: 2554.197
  speaker: unknown
  en: I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
  zh: 我要建立我的教会，阴间的门不能胜过它。
- start: 2554.197
  end: 2564.581
  speaker: unknown
  en: And no wonder, because the Holy Spirit is poured out upon us to give us all that we need, to make up for all that we lack, but to give us all that Christ has merited.
  zh: 这并不奇怪，因为圣灵浇灌在我们身上，给我们所需要的一切，弥补我们所缺乏的一切，但也给我们基督所赢得的一切。
- start: 2564.842
  end: 2573.065
  speaker: unknown
  en: Even if it comes slowly, it is going to come fully, and it is going to transform not just bread and wine into Christ's body, blood, soul, and divinity.
  zh: 即使来得缓慢，它也会完全到来，它不仅会将饼和酒转变为基督的身体、血、灵魂和神性。
- start: 2573.217
  end: 2578.32
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's much easier than for God to transform sinners like me into saints.
  zh: 这比神将像我这样的罪人转变为圣徒要容易得多。
- start: 2579.02
  end: 2582.002
  speaker: unknown
  en: But that is what God the Father is intent upon.
  zh: 但这正是圣父神所专注的。
- start: 2582.162
  end: 2584.523
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's what we've got to allow Him to do.
  zh: 这就是我们必须允许祂去做的。
- start: 2584.884
  end: 2589.527
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that is why the church is not like some wooden stage on which the drama unfolds.
  zh: 这就是为什么教会不像是戏剧上演的木制舞台。
- start: 2589.527
  end: 2592.348
  speaker: unknown
  en: The church is the drama itself.
  zh: 教会就是戏剧本身。
- start: 2592.748
  end: 2595.25
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is the family that God is fathering.
  zh: 它是神正在养育的家庭。
- start: 2595.25
  end: 2596.711
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is the kingdom of the Son.
  zh: 它是圣子的国度。
- start: 2596.711
  end: 2598.593
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
  zh: 它是圣灵的殿。
- start: 2598.593
  end: 2599.834
  speaker: unknown
  en: It is our one true home.
  zh: 它是我们唯一真正的家。
- start: 2599.834
  end: 2607.26
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we call it Catholic not just because it's bigger and older than all the other denominations, and it stretches all around the planet.
  zh: 我们称它为公教会，不仅仅是因为它比所有其他教派更大更古老，而且遍布全球。
- start: 2607.26
  end: 2613.204
  speaker: unknown
  en: We call it Catholic because it's not just international or planetary, but because it's universal.
  zh: 我们称它为公教会，不仅因为它是国际性或全球性的，而是因为它是宇宙性的。
- start: 2613.519
  end: 2619.025
  speaker: unknown
  en: The essential members of the Catholic Church are not the Pope and the College of Cardinals.
  zh: 公教会的核心成员不是教宗和枢机主教团。
- start: 2619.025
  end: 2629.455
  speaker: unknown
  en: The essential members of the Catholic Church are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, along with the Blessed Virgin who became the mother of God and was given to us to be our mother too.
  zh: 公教会的核心成员是圣父、圣子和圣灵，还有成为神之母并被赐给我们作为我们母亲的圣母马利亚。
- start: 2629.818
  end: 2645.575
  speaker: unknown
  en: And along with the Holy Trinity and the Holy Blessed Virgin, we have also Saint Joseph and all of the saints and all of the angels who are like older siblings who aren't just sitting back and watching us as though this is a spectator sport.
  zh: 除了三位一体的神和圣母马利亚，我们还有圣约瑟和所有圣人以及所有天使，他们就像是年长的兄弟姐妹，不只是坐在那里看着我们，好像这是一场观赏性运动。
- start: 2645.916
  end: 2648.66
  speaker: unknown
  en: Hebrews describes them as a cloud of witnesses.
  zh: 希伯来书将他们描述为如云彩般的见证人。
- start: 2648.66
  end: 2649.641
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're bearing witness.
  zh: 他们在作见证。
- start: 2649.641
  end: 2651.022
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're praying for us.
  zh: 他们在为我们祷告。
- start: 2651.741
  end: 2656.942
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're more deeply invested in us becoming saints and getting all the way home than we realize.
  zh: 他们比我们意识到的更深入地投入到我们成为圣徒并完全回家的过程中。
- start: 2657.082
  end: 2660.082
  speaker: unknown
  en: Talk about having holy friends in high places.
  zh: 这就是所谓的在高处有圣洁的朋友。
- start: 2660.623
  end: 2663.063
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is what we mean by the Catholic Church.
  zh: 这就是我们所说的公教会的含义。
- start: 2663.063
  end: 2663.743
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's one.
  zh: 它是唯一的。
- start: 2663.743
  end: 2664.343
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's holy.
  zh: 它是神圣的。
- start: 2664.343
  end: 2676.966
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's Catholic and it's apostolic, not just because the bishops are the successors of the apostles, but because Revelation 21 describes the New Jerusalem as being based upon these foundation stones of the twelve apostles.
  zh: 它是大公的和使徒的，不仅因为主教们是使徒的继承人，还因为启示录21章描述新耶路撒冷是建立在十二使徒这些根基石上的。
- start: 2676.966
  end: 2678.426
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're not dead.
  zh: 他们并没有死。
- start: 2678.88
  end: 2682.843
  speaker: unknown
  en: They died on earth, but they're more alive in heaven than they were when they were on earth.
  zh: 他们在地上死了，但在天上比他们在地上时更加活着。
- start: 2683.003
  end: 2684.244
  speaker: unknown
  en: And they're praying.
  zh: 他们在祷告。
- start: 2684.244
  end: 2686.006
  speaker: unknown
  en: And they're giving thanks to God.
  zh: 他们在感谢神。
- start: 2686.006
  end: 2692.511
  speaker: unknown
  en: And they're also interceding on our behalf like our older siblings never did, at least in the Hahn family where I grew up.
  zh: 他们也在为我们代祷，这是我们的兄长从未做过的，至少在我成长的哈恩家是这样。
- start: 2694.153
  end: 2697.916
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so this is what it means to be a Catholic Christian.
  zh: 这就是作为公教会基督徒的意义。
- start: 2697.916
  end: 2701.819
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is what it means to be hearing the good news again and again.
  zh: 这就是一次又一次听到好消息的意义。
- start: 2701.819
  end: 2707.143
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this is why the catechism affirms that outside the church there is no salvation.
  zh: 这就是为什么《公教会教理》肯定教会之外没有救恩。
- start: 2707.532
  end: 2709.653
  speaker: unknown
  en: Now when I first read that, I was somewhat startled.
  zh: 当我第一次读到这句话时，我有些吃惊。
- start: 2709.653
  end: 2713.914
  speaker: unknown
  en: Does that imply that non-Catholics who die outside the church have no hope of heaven?
  zh: 这是否意味着在教会之外死去的非天主教徒没有进入天堂的希望？
- start: 2713.914
  end: 2718.915
  speaker: unknown
  en: No. It's not reducing salvation to whether you end up in heaven or not.
  zh: 不。这并不是将救恩简化为你最终是否进入天堂。
- start: 2719.255
  end: 2724.196
  speaker: unknown
  en: For non-Catholics, salvation is sort of like whether you get out of hell and make it to heaven.
  zh: 对非天主教徒来说，救恩有点像是你是否能脱离地狱进入天堂。
- start: 2724.596
  end: 2733.672
  speaker: unknown
  en: But for us as Catholics, salvation is understood best in the light of who it's saving us as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
  zh: 但对我们天主教徒来说，救恩最好是在圣父、圣子和圣灵拯救我们的光照下来理解。
- start: 2733.672
  end: 2735.172
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's not just then and there.
  zh: 这不仅仅是在那时那地。
- start: 2735.172
  end: 2736.512
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's here and now.
  zh: 而是在此时此地。
- start: 2736.592
  end: 2738.193
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's not just entering heaven.
  zh: 这不仅仅是进入天堂。
- start: 2738.193
  end: 2741.014
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's when heaven comes to earth in the mass.
  zh: 而是当天堂在弥撒中降临人间。
- start: 2741.134
  end: 2743.534
  speaker: unknown
  en: When we renew not a contract, but a covenant.
  zh: 当我们更新的不是合同，而是盟约。
- start: 2743.534
  end: 2753.417
  speaker: unknown
  en: When we come to share flesh and blood there from the altar that makes us members of God's own family through the Holy Eucharist, through Holy Communion.
  zh: 当我们通过圣体圣事、通过圣餐，从祭台上分享那使我们成为神家庭成员的肉和血。
- start: 2753.677
  end: 2756.318
  speaker: unknown
  en: So outside the church there is no salvation.
  zh: 所以教会之外没有救恩。
- start: 2756.603
  end: 2764.087
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's more a description or a definition of what we understand salvation to mean because it's more than getting out of hell.
  zh: 这更多是对我们理解的救恩含义的描述或定义，因为它不仅仅是脱离地狱。
- start: 2764.087
  end: 2765.748
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's more than getting into heaven.
  zh: 它不仅仅是进入天堂。
- start: 2765.748
  end: 2767.949
  speaker: unknown
  en: If that's all it was, that's good news.
  zh: 如果仅仅是这样，那也是好消息。
- start: 2767.949
  end: 2772.171
  speaker: unknown
  en: But the fact is, we don't have to wait to die to go to heaven.
  zh: 但事实是，我们不必等到死后才能进入天堂。
- start: 2772.171
  end: 2774.152
  speaker: unknown
  en: All we've got to do is go to mass.
  zh: 我们所要做的就是参加弥撒。
- start: 2774.152
  end: 2775.733
  speaker: unknown
  en: And heaven is where we are.
  zh: 天堂就在我们所在之处。
- start: 2775.733
  end: 2778.014
  speaker: unknown
  en: And the angels and saints are who we're with.
  zh: 天使和圣徒就是与我们同在的。
- start: 2778.474
  end: 2781.855
  speaker: unknown
  en: Heaven and earth are united in that moment, in that mystery.
  zh: 天地在那一刻，在那奥秘中联合。
- start: 2782.116
  end: 2784.837
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this is what we mean by salvation.
  zh: 这就是我们所说的救恩。
- start: 2785.894
  end: 2790.558
  speaker: unknown
  en: Being outside the Catholic Church is being outside of the family of God.
  zh: 在教会之外就是在神的家庭之外。
- start: 2790.758
  end: 2793.06
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's what we need to be saved from.
  zh: 这就是我们需要被拯救脱离的。
- start: 2793.48
  end: 2800.106
  speaker: unknown
  en: And salvation is being adopted and brought home and sharing the fullness of truth, the fullness of life.
  zh: 救恩就是被收养、被带回家，分享真理的丰盛，生命的丰盛。
- start: 2800.106
  end: 2805.43
  speaker: unknown
  en: There are probably going to be non-Catholics who die outside the church higher in heaven than I'll ever be.
  zh: 可能会有在教会之外死去的非天主教徒在天堂的地位比我更高。
- start: 2805.771
  end: 2809.795
  speaker: unknown
  en: But the fact is, that's not all salvation means.
  zh: 但事实是，这并不是救恩的全部含义。
- start: 2809.795
  end: 2829.674
  speaker: unknown
  en: It means sharing here and now in the fullness of the family of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit with the angels and the saints that are our older siblings and discovering that this is present as a mystery, but a mystery that is more real and more enduring than the solid wooden pews on which you're sitting today.
  zh: 它意味着此时此地分享圣父、圣子和圣灵家庭的丰盛，与作为我们年长兄弟姐妹的天使和圣徒在一起，并发现这是一个奥秘的存在，但这个奥秘比你今天坐的实木长椅更真实、更持久。
- start: 2830.726
  end: 2833.667
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is where we'll be in a trillion years.
  zh: 这就是我们一万亿年后所在的地方。
- start: 2833.667
  end: 2836.667
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is who we'll be in ten trillion years.
  zh: 这就是我们十万亿年后的样子。
- start: 2836.787
  end: 2842.848
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we'll look back and wonder why life on earth seems so long when eternity is eternal.
  zh: 我们会回顾并思考，为什么在永恒面前，地上的生命似乎如此漫长。
- start: 2843.108
  end: 2845.049
  speaker: unknown
  en: And this is what matters the most.
  zh: 这才是最重要的。
- start: 2845.169
  end: 2854.97
  speaker: unknown
  en: And yet at the same time, we are kind of called to lofty contemplation of the beauty and the power of the truths that we say, I believe.
  zh: 然而同时，我们也被召唤去崇高地默想我们所说的「我信」中的真理的美和力量。
- start: 2855.111
  end: 2859.561
  speaker: unknown
  en: At the same time, it has to kind of be brought home.
  zh: 同时，这必须被带回家中。
- start: 2859.561
  end: 2862.022
  speaker: unknown
  en: It has to also be lived out.
  zh: 它也必须被活出来。
- start: 2862.162
  end: 2874.824
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's why I love to reflect on an experience that I had years ago, a few years even before I became a Catholic, before I entered the church in 86. Back in 82, I became a father for the first time.
  zh: 这就是为什么我喜欢反思多年前的一次经历，那是在我成为天主教徒之前几年，在我1986年进入教会之前。回到1982年，我第一次成为父亲。
- start: 2875.205
  end: 2877.825
  speaker: unknown
  en: Kimberly was nine and a half months pregnant.
  zh: 金伯利怀孕九个半月了。
- start: 2878.045
  end: 2880.506
  speaker: unknown
  en: She was already two weeks overdue.
  zh: 她已经超过预产期两周了。
- start: 2880.746
  end: 2883.866
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then when the contractions began, we went to the hospital.
  zh: 当宫缩开始时，我们去了医院。
- start: 2884.046
  end: 2886.767
  speaker: unknown
  en: More than 30 hours later, she's still in labor.
  zh: 30多个小时后，她仍在分娩中。
- start: 2888.149
  end: 2891.052
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I was fighting sleep while she was fighting the pain.
  zh: 我在与睡意抗争，而她在与疼痛抗争。
- start: 2891.212
  end: 2907.089
  speaker: unknown
  en: And suddenly I get jostled awake thinking I'll be looking at her face and I'm looking at an anesthesiologist who just explains to me while I'm waking up that we had to take your wife a moment ago down to the ER for an emergency cesarean section.
  zh: 突然我被摇醒，以为会看到她的脸，却看到一位麻醉师，他在我醒来时解释说我们刚才不得不把你的妻子送到急诊室做紧急剖腹产。
- start: 2907.441
  end: 2908.461
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, why didn't you wake me?
  zh: 我说，为什么不叫醒我？
- start: 2908.461
  end: 2910.442
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, we tried to, but you were still sleeping.
  zh: 嗯，我们试过了，但你还在睡。
- start: 2910.442
  end: 2911.542
  speaker: unknown
  en: We had to take her.
  zh: 我们不得不带她去。
- start: 2911.542
  end: 2916.624
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so just hurriedly I ran down the hall towards the ER, half awake.
  zh: 于是我匆忙地跑向急诊室，还半睡半醒。
- start: 2916.624
  end: 2922.625
  speaker: unknown
  en: But when I got there, I saw her strapped cruciform on this gurney where they had taken her down.
  zh: 但当我到那里时，我看到她被绑在担架上，呈十字形，他们把她带到那里。
- start: 2922.886
  end: 2924.186
  speaker: unknown
  en: So I came over to her side.
  zh: 所以我走到她身边。
- start: 2924.186
  end: 2926.327
  speaker: unknown
  en: I just gripped her hand and I said, I'm so sorry.
  zh: 我紧握她的手说，我很抱歉。
- start: 2926.327
  end: 2927.967
  speaker: unknown
  en: I felt like, oh, I understand.
  zh: 我感觉，哦，我理解。
- start: 2927.967
  end: 2929.067
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, oh.
  zh: 我心想，哦。
- start: 2929.187
  end: 2930.808
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I just led her in prayer.
  zh: 我就带领她祷告。
- start: 2930.968
  end: 2935.209
  speaker: unknown
  en: And after the amen, I tried to give her some words of encouragement and some comfort.
  zh: 在说完阿门后，我试图给她一些鼓励和安慰的话。
- start: 2936.286
  end: 2937.606
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then I made a big mistake.
  zh: 然后我犯了一个大错。
- start: 2937.606
  end: 2940.427
  speaker: unknown
  en: I stood up and I looked over the sheet.
  zh: 我站起来，越过床单看了一眼。
- start: 2941.227
  end: 2945.368
  speaker: unknown
  en: When I tell my bride, I love your guts, I know what I am talking about.
  zh: 当我告诉我的新娘「我爱你的内脏」时，我知道我在说什么。
- start: 2945.368
  end: 2951.41
  speaker: unknown
  en: It was like I saw every major organ up close like I had never imagined.
  zh: 我好像近距离看到了每个主要器官，这是我从未想象过的。
- start: 2951.41
  end: 2953.151
  speaker: unknown
  en: I got dizzy, almost nauseous.
  zh: 我感到头晕，几乎要恶心。
- start: 2953.151
  end: 2954.291
  speaker: unknown
  en: I knelt back.
  zh: 我跪了回去。
- start: 2954.291
  end: 2955.311
  speaker: unknown
  en: Let's pray some more.
  zh: 让我们再多祷告一些。
- start: 2955.311
  end: 2958.992
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I gave her some more words of comfort and consolation.
  zh: 我给了她更多安慰和慰藉的话。
- start: 2959.167
  end: 2962.73
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know, until about five or 10 minutes later, I could hear them tugging.
  zh: 你知道，大约五到十分钟后，我能听到他们在拉扯。
- start: 2962.73
  end: 2964.231
  speaker: unknown
  en: I could hear the suctioning.
  zh: 我能听到吸引的声音。
- start: 2964.231
  end: 2969.575
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I stood up and they suddenly handed me this big bundle of baby boy.
  zh: 于是我站起来，他们突然把这个大包的男婴递给我。
- start: 2969.856
  end: 2979.083
  speaker: unknown
  en: And as I'm looking into this face of this beautiful baby boy, nine six, no small baby.
  zh: 当我看着这个漂亮男婴的脸，九磅六盎司，不是小婴儿。
- start: 2979.864
  end: 2981.105
  speaker: unknown
  en: It was so awesome.
  zh: 那感觉太棒了。
- start: 2981.105
  end: 2983.187
  speaker: unknown
  en: I mean, it was indescribable.
  zh: 我的意思是，那是无法形容的。
- start: 2983.405
  end: 2985.607
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then after a couple of minutes, he began to fuss.
  zh: 几分钟后，他开始烦躁不安。
- start: 2985.607
  end: 2986.368
  speaker: unknown
  en: He began to cry.
  zh: 他开始哭泣。
- start: 2986.368
  end: 2993.273
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's when I realized that, you know, I got to hand him back to her and let nature take its course with the rooting reflex.
  zh: 那时我意识到，你知道，我得把他还给她，让自然而然的寻乳反射发生。
- start: 2993.273
  end: 2996.676
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's where the illumination comes to so many of us.
  zh: 这就是我们许多人获得启发的地方。
- start: 2996.676
  end: 3003.582
  speaker: unknown
  en: First time dads were those wonderful anatomical parts of her body reveal their other deeper purpose of life, giving love.
  zh: 第一次当父亲的人会发现她身体那些奇妙的解剖部位揭示了它们生命中另一个更深层的目的，那就是给予爱。
- start: 3003.582
  end: 3011.749
  speaker: unknown
  en: And it was awesome just to see her nursing him and not just at the moment, but for the rest of the three or four days.
  zh: 看着她给他喂奶真是太棒了，不仅是那一刻，而是接下来的三四天里。
- start: 3011.849
  end: 3020.617
  speaker: unknown
  en: But like a typical guy, I'm just looking for some problem to solve something to fix, but that's what the doctors and the nurses and the attendants and orderlies were all doing.
  zh: 但像典型的男人一样，我只是在寻找一些问题来解决，但那正是医生、护士、护工和勤杂工都在做的事。
- start: 3020.718
  end: 3026.223
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so it was only after four days that I could finally get into action.
  zh: 所以直到四天后我才终于能开始行动。
- start: 3026.223
  end: 3028.806
  speaker: unknown
  en: I got the baby seat in the back of the car.
  zh: 我把婴儿座椅放在车后座。
- start: 3028.806
  end: 3030.347
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know, I also got the wheelchair.
  zh: 你知道，我还拿了轮椅。
- start: 3030.347
  end: 3038.815
  speaker: unknown
  en: I was able to, to wheel her to the elevator with baby Michael and get them to the car and strap him in and drive them home.
  zh: 我能够推着她和婴儿迈克尔到电梯，把他们送到车上，给他系好安全带，然后开车送他们回家。
- start: 3038.815
  end: 3044.579
  speaker: unknown
  en: And it was just awesome because that night the baby room was finally prepped and, oh, it was so cool.
  zh: 那天晚上太棒了，因为婴儿房终于准备好了，哦，真是太酷了。
- start: 3044.579
  end: 3049.904
  speaker: unknown
  en: I remember especially around 3 a.m. where I could hear her nursing our little baby boy.
  zh: 我特别记得大约凌晨3点，我能听到她在给我们的小男孩喂奶。
- start: 3049.904
  end: 3056.229
  speaker: unknown
  en: And as she hoisted him up to her shoulder to begin burping him, I'm thinking, I can't do the one, but I can do that.
  zh: 当她把他举到肩上开始给他拍嗝时，我想，我不能做前面那个，但我可以做这个。
- start: 3056.229
  end: 3057.009
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know?
  zh: 你知道吗？
- start: 3057.25
  end: 3058.79
  speaker: unknown
  en: So I said, hand them off to me.
  zh: 所以我说，把他交给我。
- start: 3058.79
  end: 3060.291
  speaker: unknown
  en: You go back to bed.
  zh: 你回去睡觉吧。
- start: 3060.311
  end: 3060.831
  speaker: unknown
  en: And she did.
  zh: 她照做了。
- start: 3060.831
  end: 3064.332
  speaker: unknown
  en: And she just fell into bed and she fell fast asleep.
  zh: 她倒在床上很快就睡着了。
- start: 3064.872
  end: 3072.354
  speaker: unknown
  en: While I take little baby Michael down the hall towards the baby room and I began to burp him for the first time, just like I'd seen her do.
  zh: 而我抱着小迈克尔走向婴儿房，开始第一次给他拍嗝，就像我看到她做的那样。
- start: 3072.574
  end: 3081.436
  speaker: unknown
  en: Only I must have burped him a little harder than she did because I heard the burp and then I felt something warm and wet going down my pajama shirt in the back.
  zh: 只是我拍得比她用力一些，因为我听到了嗝声，然后感觉到有温热湿润的东西顺着我睡衣的后背流下来。
- start: 3081.436
  end: 3082.996
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I turned him around.
  zh: 我把他转过来。
- start: 3082.996
  end: 3084.316
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, okay.
  zh: 我心想，好吧。
- start: 3084.317
  end: 3086.537
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he clearly felt much better.
  zh: 他显然感觉好多了。
- start: 3087.003
  end: 3089.664
  speaker: unknown
  en: Whereas I'm not so sure about how I was feeling.
  zh: 而我不太确定我的感受如何。
- start: 3089.664
  end: 3093.925
  speaker: unknown
  en: You know, if you'd asked me a year earlier, has anybody ever vomited on you before?
  zh: 你知道，如果你一年前问我，有人吐在你身上过吗？
- start: 3093.965
  end: 3095.206
  speaker: unknown
  en: I would have said, frankly, no.
  zh: 我会坦率地说，没有。
- start: 3095.206
  end: 3102.548
  speaker: unknown
  en: If you would follow that up and ask me how I'll feel the first time it happens, I think I would have admitted frustration, anger, maybe rage.
  zh: 如果你接着问我第一次发生这种事时我会有什么感觉，我想我会承认会感到沮丧、愤怒，甚至可能是暴怒。
- start: 3102.569
  end: 3108.491
  speaker: unknown
  en: But here I am one year later looking into the face of the only person on the planet who's ever vomited on me.
  zh: 但一年后的此刻，我看着这个世界上唯一一个吐在我身上的人的脸。
- start: 3108.491
  end: 3110.311
  speaker: unknown
  en: And there's no anger, no rage.
  zh: 没有愤怒，没有暴怒。
- start: 3110.311
  end: 3112.052
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's like, it's okay.
  zh: 就像是，没关系。
- start: 3112.052
  end: 3113.452
  speaker: unknown
  en: You feel better.
  zh: 你感觉好些了。
- start: 3113.472
  end: 3115.353
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's all that matters, you know?
  zh: 这就是最重要的，你知道吗？
- start: 3116.002
  end: 3116.742
  speaker: unknown
  en: And it was so cool.
  zh: 那感觉太棒了。
- start: 3116.742
  end: 3122.585
  speaker: unknown
  en: And even at that point where it became somewhat cold and clammy, I just didn't want to lay him down yet.
  zh: 即使到了那个变得有点冷和潮湿的时候，我还是不想把他放下。
- start: 3122.745
  end: 3130.109
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I walked into the room and we had a rocking chair and I just, I just sat down and I began rocking my little baby boy.
  zh: 所以我走进房间，我们有一把摇椅，我就坐下来，开始摇着我的小男孩。
- start: 3130.249
  end: 3135.071
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because, I mean, this kid was rocking me and my world and I didn't want to lay him down yet.
  zh: 因为，我是说，这个孩子正在摇晃着我和我的世界，我还不想把他放下。
- start: 3135.191
  end: 3141.454
  speaker: unknown
  en: And as his eyes are drooping and as he's getting ready to fall asleep, I'm still not ready to lay him down.
  zh: 当他的眼睛开始下垂，准备要睡着时，我还是不想把他放下。
- start: 3141.934
  end: 3145.436
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm just like, oh, wow, God, thank you.
  zh: 我就像是，哦，哇，神啊，谢谢你。
- start: 3145.942
  end: 3147.603
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's when something happened.
  zh: 就在那时，有事情发生了。
- start: 3147.804
  end: 3155.029
  speaker: unknown
  en: I don't know exactly how to explain it, but I could feel this presence suddenly enter the room and I knew at once that God was there.
  zh: 我不知道该如何准确解释，但我能感觉到一种存在突然进入了房间，我立刻知道神在那里。
- start: 3155.029
  end: 3161.014
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, of course he's always everywhere, but in that moment he was here in a really cool way.
  zh: 当然，祂总是无处不在，但在那一刻，祂以一种非常特别的方式出现在这里。
- start: 3161.094
  end: 3162.815
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like, oh, wow.
  zh: 我心想，哦，哇。
- start: 3162.856
  end: 3164.236
  speaker: unknown
  en: Thank you, God.
  zh: 谢谢你，神。
- start: 3164.437
  end: 3172.443
  speaker: unknown
  en: And as I kept rocking him, even though he was now beginning to sleep, I could feel as though God was trying to communicate something to me.
  zh: 当我继续摇着他，尽管他现在开始睡着了，我能感觉到神似乎在试图向我传达什么。
- start: 3172.443
  end: 3174.725
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I wasn't sure exactly what it was.
  zh: 我不确切知道是什么。
- start: 3175.239
  end: 3180.222
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then I began to sense that what he was trying to say was, do you see how much you love your child?
  zh: 然后我开始感觉到祂试图说的是，你看到你有多爱你的孩子吗？
- start: 3180.222
  end: 3184.925
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, oh, God, words can't begin to describe this love welling up.
  zh: 我心想，哦，神啊，言语无法描述这涌现的爱。
- start: 3184.925
  end: 3186.765
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's like, oh, thank you.
  zh: 就像是，哦，谢谢你。
- start: 3186.946
  end: 3188.287
  speaker: unknown
  en: But there was something more.
  zh: 但还有更多。
- start: 3188.287
  end: 3192.889
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I couldn't figure out what the more was, but he was trying to communicate something else.
  zh: 我不能理解那更多是什么，但祂在试图传达别的东西。
- start: 3192.889
  end: 3203.155
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then suddenly I realized that what he was really trying to say to me was, do you think it's possible for you as a father to love your child more than I love my children?
  zh: 然后我突然意识到祂真正想对我说的是，你认为作为一个父亲，你爱你的孩子可能比我爱我的孩子更多吗？
- start: 3204.446
  end: 3208.769
  speaker: unknown
  en: And in a moment I realized theologically that's totally absurd, right?
  zh: 在那一刻，我意识到从神学角度来说，这是完全荒谬的，对吧？
- start: 3208.769
  end: 3209.45
  speaker: unknown
  en: You're God.
  zh: 你是神。
- start: 3209.45
  end: 3211.23
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm a first-time father.
  zh: 我是第一次当父亲。
- start: 3211.331
  end: 3215.313
  speaker: unknown
  en: No, I can't possibly love my child more than you love your children.
  zh: 不，我不可能比你爱你的孩子更爱我的孩子。
- start: 3215.354
  end: 3220.177
  speaker: unknown
  en: But then I realized it was more than just a theological point that he was trying to make.
  zh: 但后来我意识到，祂想表达的不仅仅是一个神学观点。
- start: 3221.818
  end: 3226.381
  speaker: unknown
  en: In a moment I look at my little baby boy and I'm like, wait a second.
  zh: 一瞬间，我看着我的小男孩，心想，等一下。
- start: 3226.862
  end: 3233.266
  speaker: unknown
  en: You don't mean to say that you love me like this, only more?
  zh: 你不是想说你像这样爱我，只是更多吗？
- start: 3234.716
  end: 3244.66
  speaker: unknown
  en: And all I could think of in that moment was the countless times that I had vomited on God, not literally, but figuratively, and all my sins and selfish behavior.
  zh: 在那一刻，我能想到的只有无数次我在神身上呕吐，不是字面意义上的，而是比喻性的，以及我所有的罪和自私的行为。
- start: 3244.82
  end: 3252.863
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'd always kind of assumed that the more I do that, the less he loves me, as though my being good is the cause of him loving me.
  zh: 我一直以为我这样做得越多，祂就越不爱我，好像我的善行是祂爱我的原因。
- start: 3252.923
  end: 3268.363
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then all of a sudden he just turned it around and I realized how the human tail had been wagging the divine dog, that his love was not caused by my goodness, but my goodness, like my very life and existence, these things were caused by his love.
  zh: 然后突然间祂扭转了这一切，我意识到人类的尾巴一直在摇晃神圣的狗，祂的爱不是由我的善良引起的，而是我的善良，就像我的生命和存在一样，这些都是由祂的爱引起的。
- start: 3268.363
  end: 3269.824
  speaker: unknown
  en: He loved me into existence.
  zh: 祂用爱使我存在。
- start: 3269.824
  end: 3272.905
  speaker: unknown
  en: He loved me to the moment where I had become a father.
  zh: 祂爱我直到我成为父亲的那一刻。
- start: 3272.905
  end: 3284.369
  speaker: unknown
  en: And he was using my child to show me a love that I would have known abstractly as a theologian, but I'd never experienced personally until that evening.
  zh: 祂用我的孩子向我展示一种爱，作为神学家我可能抽象地知道这种爱，但直到那天晚上我才亲身体验到。
- start: 3285.449
  end: 3288.13
  speaker: unknown
  en: 40 minutes later, I don't want to lay this kid down.
  zh: 40分钟后，我不想把这个孩子放下。
- start: 3288.895
  end: 3292.698
  speaker: unknown
  en: I am rocking him because God is now rocking me.
  zh: 我在摇晃他，因为神现在正在摇晃我。
- start: 3293.239
  end: 3294.28
  speaker: unknown
  en: I finally did.
  zh: 我最终还是放下了他。
- start: 3294.28
  end: 3297.202
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I just drifted off to sleep in a moment.
  zh: 我很快就睡着了。
- start: 3297.202
  end: 3302.607
  speaker: unknown
  en: When I woke up, I'm like, Kimberly, you won't believe what happened last night when I took him from you and I burped him and he threw up on me.
  zh: 当我醒来时，我对金伯利说，你不会相信昨晚发生了什么，当我从你那里接过他，给他拍嗝，他吐在我身上。
- start: 3302.607
  end: 3307.652
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then all of a sudden I realized that God was there and he was trying to show me that he loves me more than I love my baby.
  zh: 然后突然间我意识到神在那里，祂试图向我展示祂爱我比我爱我的孩子更多。
- start: 3307.652
  end: 3311.254
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I couldn't find the words to describe how much I love this little baby boy.
  zh: 我找不到词语来描述我有多爱这个小男孩。
- start: 3311.415
  end: 3312.136
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's amazing.
  zh: 这太神奇了。
- start: 3312.136
  end: 3313.977
  speaker: unknown
  en: And she's like, oh, that's nice.
  zh: 她说，哦，那很好。
- start: 3315.043
  end: 3316.684
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm like, nice girl.
  zh: 我心想，好姑娘。
- start: 3316.684
  end: 3317.685
  speaker: unknown
  en: That's radical.
  zh: 那是激进的。
- start: 3317.685
  end: 3319.106
  speaker: unknown
  en: I mean, that's revolutionary.
  zh: 我是说，那是革命性的。
- start: 3319.106
  end: 3321.708
  speaker: unknown
  en: I mean, it's not just true in the abstract.
  zh: 我的意思是，这不仅仅是抽象的真理。
- start: 3321.708
  end: 3324.53
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's true in the concrete and I've never known it.
  zh: 这是具体的真理，而我从未知道。
- start: 3325.131
  end: 3328.232
  speaker: unknown
  en: She grew up in a family that was so devout and Christian.
  zh: 她在一个非常虔诚的基督教家庭中长大。
- start: 3328.273
  end: 3331.435
  speaker: unknown
  en: Her dad is an amazing prince of a man.
  zh: 她的父亲是一个了不起的君子。
- start: 3331.735
  end: 3333.096
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so she did experience that.
  zh: 所以她确实经历过那种爱。
- start: 3333.096
  end: 3339.201
  speaker: unknown
  en: And while my dad was a virtuous fellow and I thank God for him, he was an only child and he had some real trouble.
  zh: 虽然我的父亲是个有德行的人，我为他感谢神，但他是独生子，他有一些真正的困扰。
- start: 3339.201
  end: 3341.943
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so I never had that experience.
  zh: 所以我从未有过那种经历。
- start: 3342.279
  end: 3360.634
  speaker: unknown
  en: And now I've had it not just once, but six times and not just with the six births of our six kids, but countless other times, even as they became adolescents, I began to see how God loves me through thick and thin and how important it is for us to get beyond what he does for us to discover who he is.
  zh: 现在我不仅经历了一次，而是六次，不仅是我们六个孩子的六次出生，还有无数其他时刻，即使当他们成为青少年，我开始看到神如何在顺境逆境中爱我，以及我们超越祂为我们所做的去发现祂是谁是多么重要。
- start: 3360.915
  end: 3366.239
  speaker: unknown
  en: And only then can we really be assured that we are his beloved children.
  zh: 只有这样，我们才能真正确信我们是祂心爱的孩子。
- start: 3366.764
  end: 3378.348
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'd like to say ever since that night, ever since 3 a.m. back in 1982 on December 8th, but no, I've actually come again and again back to the point where I doubt that.
  zh: 我想说自从那天晚上，自从1982年12月8日凌晨3点以来，但不，实际上我一次又一次回到怀疑的地步。
- start: 3379.308
  end: 3381.209
  speaker: unknown
  en: Back to the point where I forget that.
  zh: 回到我忘记那一点的地步。
- start: 3381.449
  end: 3386.591
  speaker: unknown
  en: Back to the point where even when I remember, I question whether God could love a sinner like me that much.
  zh: 回到即使我记得，我也会质疑神是否能如此爱像我这样的罪人的地步。
- start: 3386.931
  end: 3392.913
  speaker: unknown
  en: I remember one night in particular, I was just really seemingly drifting away from the experience of his love.
  zh: 我特别记得有一天晚上，我似乎真的在远离祂爱的体验。
- start: 3392.913
  end: 3394.574
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I was trying to pray.
  zh: 我试图祷告。
- start: 3394.574
  end: 3395.994
  speaker: unknown
  en: I got out my journal.
  zh: 我拿出我的日记。
- start: 3396.195
  end: 3402.518
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, I know you love me more than, I said, I know you love your children more than I love my children.
  zh: 我说，我知道你爱我胜过，我说，我知道你爱你的孩子胜过我爱我的孩子。
- start: 3402.898
  end: 3408.38
  speaker: unknown
  en: I just wonder sometimes if I can really be sure that I'm one of your children.
  zh: 我只是有时候想知道我是否真的可以确定我是你的孩子之一。
- start: 3409.401
  end: 3412.483
  speaker: unknown
  en: Like, whoa, that is a moment of truth.
  zh: 哇，那是一个真相的时刻。
- start: 3412.483
  end: 3416.584
  speaker: unknown
  en: That was for me a kind of breakthrough, like a moment of real honesty.
  zh: 对我来说，那是一种突破，像是一个真正诚实的时刻。
- start: 3416.625
  end: 3418.766
  speaker: unknown
  en: And there was no thunder or lightning striking me.
  zh: 没有雷电击中我。
- start: 3418.766
  end: 3422.988
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, I know you love your children more than I love my children.
  zh: 我说，我知道你爱你的孩子胜过我爱我的孩子。
- start: 3422.988
  end: 3426.859
  speaker: unknown
  en: But I just wonder whether or not I happen to be one of your children.
  zh: 但我只是想知道我是否恰好是你的孩子之一。
- start: 3427.94
  end: 3429.501
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I felt this presence.
  zh: 我感受到了这种存在。
- start: 3429.541
  end: 3431.883
  speaker: unknown
  en: Long time, no feel, you know.
  zh: 你知道，好久没有这种感觉了。
- start: 3431.883
  end: 3441.47
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I didn't see any figure, I didn't hear any voice, but I could feel as though God was there, once again, trying to get something across to me in my hard heart.
  zh: 我没有看到任何形象，也没有听到任何声音，但我能感觉到神再次在那里，试图向我顽固的心传达一些东西。
- start: 3441.51
  end: 3443.291
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I wasn't sure what it was.
  zh: 我不确定那是什么。
- start: 3443.412
  end: 3449.216
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I just felt like he was saying, do your kids ever wake up wondering whether or not they're your kids?
  zh: 我只是感觉祂在说，你的孩子们是否曾经醒来时怀疑他们是不是你的孩子？
- start: 3449.887
  end: 3451.888
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like, well, no, I don't think so.
  zh: 我说，嗯，不，我不这么认为。
- start: 3451.888
  end: 3455.23
  speaker: unknown
  en: I've never heard or never picked up even a trace of that.
  zh: 我从未听到或察觉到任何这样的迹象。
- start: 3455.671
  end: 3457.272
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I felt like the Lord was saying, why is that?
  zh: 我感觉主在说，为什么会这样？
- start: 3457.272
  end: 3461.134
  speaker: unknown
  en: Is it because you're a better father for them than I am for my children?
  zh: 是因为你对他们来说是个比我对我的孩子更好的父亲吗？
- start: 3461.315
  end: 3462.695
  speaker: unknown
  en: Well, no, I'm not saying that.
  zh: 嗯，不，我不是那个意思。
- start: 3462.695
  end: 3467.318
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then I began to realize that's really what I was saying by implication.
  zh: 然后我开始意识到这实际上就是我暗示的意思。
- start: 3467.979
  end: 3476.324
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I felt like the Lord was saying, okay, so why do you wonder whether or not you're my child and yet your kids don't wake up wondering whether or not they're your children?
  zh: 我感觉主在说，好吧，那么为什么你会怀疑你是否是我的孩子，而你的孩子却不会醒来时怀疑他们是否是你的孩子？
- start: 3476.903
  end: 3478.924
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm like thinking, okay, good question.
  zh: 我心想，好吧，这是个好问题。
- start: 3478.924
  end: 3480.085
  speaker: unknown
  en: I can answer that.
  zh: 我可以回答这个问题。
- start: 3480.265
  end: 3483.447
  speaker: unknown
  en: For one thing, they live in my house, right?
  zh: 首先，他们住在我的房子里，对吧？
- start: 3483.447
  end: 3484.887
  speaker: unknown
  en: So they know they're my kids.
  zh: 所以他们知道他们是我的孩子。
- start: 3485.168
  end: 3488.71
  speaker: unknown
  en: Then I realized we had a couple of students living with us too in the house that weren't my kids.
  zh: 然后我意识到我们家里还住着几个不是我孩子的学生。
- start: 3488.71
  end: 3491.391
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so number two, they're called by my name.
  zh: 所以第二点，他们被称为我的名字。
- start: 3492.152
  end: 3497.415
  speaker: unknown
  en: The students aren't. And all my kids know why they have Han at the end, because they're my kids.
  zh: 那些学生不是。我所有的孩子都知道为什么他们的名字最后有哈恩，因为他们是我的孩子。
- start: 3497.415
  end: 3498.235
  speaker: unknown
  en: They live in my house.
  zh: 他们住在我的房子里。
- start: 3498.235
  end: 3499.696
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're called by my name.
  zh: 他们被称为我的名字。
- start: 3499.736
  end: 3501.977
  speaker: unknown
  en: Number three, they sit at my table.
  zh: 第三，他们坐在我的餐桌旁。
- start: 3501.977
  end: 3503.198
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm the breadwinner.
  zh: 我是养家糊口的人。
- start: 3503.442
  end: 3504.683
  speaker: unknown
  en: I provide for them.
  zh: 我供养他们。
- start: 3504.683
  end: 3506.625
  speaker: unknown
  en: And they know why, because I'm their father.
  zh: 他们知道为什么，因为我是他们的父亲。
- start: 3506.625
  end: 3507.765
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're my children.
  zh: 他们是我的孩子。
- start: 3508.226
  end: 3509.026
  speaker: unknown
  en: They live in my house.
  zh: 他们住在我的房子里。
- start: 3509.026
  end: 3510.007
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're called by my name.
  zh: 他们被称为我的名字。
- start: 3510.007
  end: 3511.488
  speaker: unknown
  en: They sit at my table.
  zh: 他们坐在我的餐桌旁。
- start: 3511.809
  end: 3519.474
  speaker: unknown
  en: Besides, number four, if they ever questioned or doubted it, I could prove they share my flesh and blood, DNA, whatever it takes, I can show it.
  zh: 此外，第四点，如果他们曾经质疑或怀疑这一点，我可以证明他们与我共享血肉，DNA，无论需要什么，我都可以证明。
- start: 3519.875
  end: 3521.496
  speaker: unknown
  en: And at this point, I'm on a roll.
  zh: 到这时，我已经滔滔不绝了。
- start: 3521.496
  end: 3522.337
  speaker: unknown
  en: They live in my house.
  zh: 他们住在我的房子里。
- start: 3522.337
  end: 3523.377
  speaker: unknown
  en: They're called by my name.
  zh: 他们被称为我的名字。
- start: 3523.377
  end: 3524.698
  speaker: unknown
  en: They sit at my table.
  zh: 他们坐在我的餐桌旁。
- start: 3524.698
  end: 3526.36
  speaker: unknown
  en: They share my flesh and blood.
  zh: 他们与我共享血肉。
- start: 3526.36
  end: 3530.923
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I thought of the fifth one, number five, my bride is their mom.
  zh: 我想到了第五点，我的妻子是他们的母亲。
- start: 3531.218
  end: 3535.361
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I never get tired of telling them how much they owe me big time.
  zh: 我永远不会厌倦告诉他们他们欠我多少。
- start: 3535.361
  end: 3538.483
  speaker: unknown
  en: Because when I married Kimberly, I knew I was getting a great wife.
  zh: 因为当我娶金伯利时，我知道我娶了一个很棒的妻子。
- start: 3538.483
  end: 3540.804
  speaker: unknown
  en: I knew I was getting my future kids a great mom.
  zh: 我知道我为我未来的孩子们找到了一个很棒的母亲。
- start: 3540.804
  end: 3544.006
  speaker: unknown
  en: But she turned out to be much better than I ever imagined.
  zh: 但她比我想象的要好得多。
- start: 3544.466
  end: 3554.012
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so my kids will tell you, you know, how many times they have heard me say, if you show disrespect to me, you will survive.
  zh: 所以我的孩子们会告诉你，你知道，他们听我说过多少次，如果你对我不尊重，你还能活下来。
- start: 3554.392
  end: 3558.495
  speaker: unknown
  en: But if you disrespect her, you can run, but you can't hide.
  zh: 但如果你对她不尊重，你可以跑，但你无处可藏。
- start: 3558.495
  end: 3560.496
  speaker: unknown
  en: I will track you down.
  zh: 我会追踪到你。
- start: 3560.842
  end: 3569.59
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I always give them the same explanation because no other person on planet Earth will ever carry you for nine months inside their body.
  zh: 我总是给他们同样的解释，因为地球上没有其他人会在他们体内怀你九个月。
- start: 3569.73
  end: 3572.273
  speaker: unknown
  en: And she's had six cesareans for all of her kids.
  zh: 她为所有的孩子做了六次剖腹产。
- start: 3572.273
  end: 3580.1
  speaker: unknown
  en: I said, no one else will ever face the knife like she did, where she faced the prospect of dying so that you could come to life.
  zh: 我说，没有人会像她那样面对手术刀，她面临死亡的可能，以便你能来到这个世界。
- start: 3580.38
  end: 3584.424
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I said, if you can't show respect to her, then none of the rest of us are safe.
  zh: 我说，如果你不能对她表示尊重，那么我们其他人都不安全。
- start: 3585.439
  end: 3589.441
  speaker: unknown
  en: So you owe me big time because my bride is your mom.
  zh: 所以你欠我很多，因为我的妻子是你们的母亲。
- start: 3589.521
  end: 3591.902
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's how they know they're my kids.
  zh: 这就是他们知道自己是我孩子的原因。
- start: 3592.062
  end: 3598.645
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I'm feeling pretty puffed up with pride at this point as a dad thinking that's why my kids don't wonder whether or not they're my kids.
  zh: 到这时，作为一个父亲，我感到相当自豪，认为这就是为什么我的孩子们不会怀疑他们是否是我的孩子。
- start: 3598.645
  end: 3602.927
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then suddenly I looked at the list and I could see it through his eyes.
  zh: 然后突然我看着这个清单，我能通过祂的眼睛看到它。
- start: 3605.108
  end: 3606.468
  speaker: unknown
  en: They live in my house.
  zh: 他们住在我的房子里。
- start: 3606.809
  end: 3623.244
  speaker: unknown
  en: Suddenly I realized that in the New Testament, when Jesus speaks of the church or when St. Paul writes about it in his epistles, the most frequently used term or image is household in the Greek, oikos, where we get oikonomia.
  zh: 突然我意识到，在新约中，当耶稣谈到教会或当圣保罗在他的书信中写到它时，最常用的术语或形象是希腊语中的家庭，oikos，我们从中得到oikonomia。
- start: 3623.745
  end: 3628.908
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so suddenly I began to realize that I'm not just a prodigal son.
  zh: 所以突然我开始意识到我不仅仅是一个浪子。
- start: 3628.908
  end: 3630.809
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm not just a pardon criminal.
  zh: 我不仅仅是一个被赦免的罪犯。
- start: 3631.669
  end: 3632.85
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm a part of the church.
  zh: 我是教会的一部分。
- start: 3632.85
  end: 3634.051
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm a part of your house.
  zh: 我是你家的一部分。
- start: 3634.051
  end: 3635.451
  speaker: unknown
  en: I live in your house.
  zh: 我住在你的房子里。
- start: 3636.032
  end: 3636.932
  speaker: unknown
  en: Okay.
  zh: 好的。
- start: 3637.133
  end: 3639.694
  speaker: unknown
  en: Number two, they're called by my name.
  zh: 第二，他们被称为我的名字。
- start: 3640.433
  end: 3646.815
  speaker: unknown
  en: And that's when I realized what is it that causes us to be in the household of God, to be in the family of faith.
  zh: 那时我意识到是什么使我们成为神家的一员，成为信仰家庭的一部分。
- start: 3647.162
  end: 3652.125
  speaker: unknown
  en: It's the gift of baptism whereby we are regenerated into God's family.
  zh: 这是洗礼的恩赐，通过它我们重生进入神的家庭。
- start: 3652.125
  end: 3655.687
  speaker: unknown
  en: Just like we were naturally generated into our own human family.
  zh: 就像我们自然地生成进入我们自己的人类家庭一样。
- start: 3655.768
  end: 3661.692
  speaker: unknown
  en: And we were baptized in the name of what the creator, the redeemer and the sanctifier, right?
  zh: 我们是奉创造者、救赎者、圣化者的名受洗的，对吗？
- start: 3661.692
  end: 3662.652
  speaker: unknown
  en: Wrong.
  zh: 错了。
- start: 3662.652
  end: 3666.115
  speaker: unknown
  en: We were baptized in the name of the father, the son, and the Holy spirit.
  zh: 我们是奉父、子、圣灵的名受洗的。
- start: 3666.115
  end: 3673.119
  speaker: unknown
  en: Just like my kids got our family name from me, we get God's family name so that we don't just live in his house.
  zh: 就像我的孩子们从我这里得到我们的家族姓氏一样，我们得到神的家族名字，所以我们不仅仅是住在祂的房子里。
- start: 3673.119
  end: 3674.78
  speaker: unknown
  en: We're called by his name.
  zh: 我们被称为祂的名。
- start: 3674.986
  end: 3677.287
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I looked at the third item on my list.
  zh: 我看了看我清单上的第三项。
- start: 3677.307
  end: 3686.151
  speaker: unknown
  en: They sit at my table and I could picture the altar where we gather to renew a covenant as God's family every Lord's day.
  zh: 他们坐在我的餐桌旁，我可以想象每个主日我们作为神的家庭聚集在祭坛前更新盟约的场景。
- start: 3686.472
  end: 3687.232
  speaker: unknown
  en: And what do we do?
  zh: 我们做什么？
- start: 3687.232
  end: 3688.212
  speaker: unknown
  en: We sit around the table.
  zh: 我们围坐在桌子旁。
- start: 3688.212
  end: 3689.673
  speaker: unknown
  en: What was Jesus doing?
  zh: 耶稣在做什么？
- start: 3689.973
  end: 3699.836
  speaker: unknown
  en: Paul describes it in first Corinthians 10 11. It's the Lord's table where we gather not to renew a contract, but a covenant to celebrate who we are as a family.
  zh: 保罗在哥林多前书10:11中描述了这一点。这是主的桌子，我们聚集在那里不是为了更新合同，而是为了更新盟约，庆祝我们作为一个家庭的身份。
- start: 3699.836
  end: 3700.737
  speaker: unknown
  en: I live in your house.
  zh: 我住在你的房子里。
- start: 3700.737
  end: 3706.142
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm called by your name and I am there seated around the table, the altar of sacrifice.
  zh: 我被称为你的名，我坐在那里，围绕着桌子，祭坛。
- start: 3706.362
  end: 3708.044
  speaker: unknown
  en: Then I looked at the fourth item.
  zh: 然后我看了看第四项。
- start: 3708.525
  end: 3710.326
  speaker: unknown
  en: They share my flesh and blood.
  zh: 他们共享我的血肉。
- start: 3710.747
  end: 3717.524
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then suddenly I recalled the words of Jesus and the bread of life discourse in John six, where he said, my food is flesh indeed.
  zh: 然后突然我想起了耶稣在约翰福音第六章生命之粮的讲论中的话，祂说，我的食物实在是肉。
- start: 3717.524
  end: 3719.125
  speaker: unknown
  en: My blood is drink indeed.
  zh: 我的血实在是饮料。
- start: 3719.325
  end: 3720.705
  speaker: unknown
  en: He eats my flesh and drinks.
  zh: 祂吃我的肉，喝我的血。
- start: 3720.705
  end: 3723.506
  speaker: unknown
  en: My blood abides in me and I in him.
  zh: 我的血住在我里面，我也住在祂里面。
- start: 3723.506
  end: 3725.946
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I know the Greek word for abide there.
  zh: 我知道那里「住」的希腊词。
- start: 3725.946
  end: 3730.367
  speaker: unknown
  en: Menno literally means to share a family, to live in the same home.
  zh: Menno字面意思是分享一个家庭，住在同一个家里。
- start: 3730.947
  end: 3731.927
  speaker: unknown
  en: So I live in your house.
  zh: 所以我住在你的房子里。
- start: 3731.927
  end: 3733.427
  speaker: unknown
  en: I'm called by your name.
  zh: 我被称为你的名。
- start: 3733.988
  end: 3736.128
  speaker: unknown
  en: I sit, I sit around your table.
  zh: 我坐，我坐在你的桌子旁。
- start: 3736.128
  end: 3738.968
  speaker: unknown
  en: I share the flesh and blood of Christ.
  zh: 我分享基督的肉和血。
- start: 3739.269
  end: 3742.169
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then I looked at number five, my bride is their mother.
  zh: 然后我看了看第五点，我的新娘是他们的母亲。
- start: 3742.412
  end: 3746.394
  speaker: unknown
  en: And I realized that in the new Testament, what do we hear about the church?
  zh: 我意识到在新约中，我们听到关于教会的什么？
- start: 3746.394
  end: 3749.875
  speaker: unknown
  en: That it is the bride of Christ, that Christ is the groom.
  zh: 它是基督的新娘，基督是新郎。
- start: 3750.116
  end: 3761.24
  speaker: unknown
  en: I could have said that Kimberly on our wedding night, what I've heard Jesus say through his priest countless times, this is my body, which has given up for you because that is the love of the groom for his bride.
  zh: 我本可以在我们的新婚之夜对金伯利说，我无数次从祂的神父那里听到耶稣说的话，这是我的身体，为你舍的，因为这就是新郎对新娘的爱。
- start: 3761.561
  end: 3768.864
  speaker: unknown
  en: And as St. Cyprian says in the second century, you can't have God as your father if you refuse to have the church as your mother.
  zh: 正如圣西普里安在二世纪所说，如果你拒绝以教会为母，就不能以神为父。
- start: 3769.381
  end: 3772.863
  speaker: unknown
  en: And so the bride of Christ has become our mother.
  zh: 因此，基督的新娘已成为我们的母亲。
- start: 3772.864
  end: 3779.069
  speaker: unknown
  en: Christ has held nothing back and exhibit a proof positive is the gift of the new Adam.
  zh: 基督没有保留任何东西，新亚当的恩赐就是一个确凿的证明。
- start: 3779.069
  end: 3783.352
  speaker: unknown
  en: When he entrusts the new Eve, when he says, woman, behold your son.
  zh: 当祂托付新夏娃时，祂说，妇人，看你的儿子。
- start: 3784.013
  end: 3788.156
  speaker: unknown
  en: And then to the beloved disciple, behold your mother.
  zh: 然后对祂所爱的门徒说，看你的母亲。
- start: 3788.836
  end: 3795.882
  speaker: unknown
  en: Any man who gives you his own mother to be your mother is not about to withhold anything else.
  zh: 任何把自己的母亲给你作母亲的人，都不会再保留其他任何东西。
- start: 3796.843
  end: 3803.388
  speaker: unknown
  en: Through the son, God, the father lavishes his life upon us in a way that goes beyond human love.
  zh: 通过圣子，圣父以超越人类之爱的方式将祂的生命慷慨地赐给我们。
- start: 3803.989
  end: 3805.47
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is who we are.
  zh: 这就是我们的身份。
- start: 3805.53
  end: 3817.56
  speaker: unknown
  en: This is why we have rock solid grounds of assurance that he who began a good work in us is our father and he will be faithful to complete it and get us all the way home.
  zh: 这就是为什么我们有坚如磐石的确信，那在我们心里动了善工的是我们的父，祂必忠心成全这工，把我们全部带回家。
- start: 3818.061
  end: 3826.855
  speaker: unknown
  en: And not just forgive us of our sins, but to fill us with his life, with his love and empower us to become instruments of love for all of our younger siblings.
  zh: 不仅赦免我们的罪，还用祂的生命和爱充满我们，使我们成为爱的器皿，去爱我们所有年幼的兄弟姐妹。
- start: 3823.813
  end: 3835.863
  speaker: unknown
  en: Not just in the theoretical and the abstract, but in the concrete, the practical experience of what it means.
  zh: 不仅仅是理论上和抽象的，而是具体的、实际的经验，体现它的意义。
- start: 3836.304
  end: 3841.608
  speaker: unknown
  en: Whether we have a natural family now or not, we all have a family.
  zh: 无论我们现在是否有亲生家庭，我们都有一个家庭。
- start: 3841.649
  end: 3846.993
  speaker: unknown
  en: As the catechism says, the church, the Catholic church is nothing other than the family of God.
  zh: 正如《公教会教理》所说，教会，公教会不是别的，正是神的家庭。
- start: 3847.25
  end: 3852.633
  speaker: unknown
  en: So that nobody finds himself or herself without a home, without a family.
  zh: 所以没有人会发现自己没有家，没有家庭。
- start: 3852.634
  end: 3856.576
  speaker: unknown
  en: And not just here and now, but there and forever.
  zh: 不仅是此时此地，而且是永恒的彼岸。
- start: 3856.816
  end: 3869.684
  speaker: unknown
  en: Let's turn to our father and in gratitude, let's ask him in the name of Christ for the power of the Holy Spirit to really enable us to live this truth out in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
  zh: 让我们转向我们的父，怀着感恩的心，奉基督的名求祂赐予圣灵的能力，使我们真正能够奉圣父、圣子、圣灵的名活出这个真理。
- start: 3869.845
  end: 3870.625
  speaker: unknown
  en: Amen.
  zh: 阿们。
- start: 3870.948
  end: 3878.051
  speaker: unknown
  en: Almighty God, our Father in heaven, we thank you for the gift of Jesus Christ, your eternal Son, our Savior and Lord.
  zh: 全能的神，我们在天上的父，我们感谢你赐给我们耶稣基督，你永恒的儿子，我们的救主和主。
- start: 3878.371
  end: 3901.23
  speaker: unknown
  en: And again in his name we ask you to pour out the Holy Spirit upon us, to enlighten our minds with the word of your truth, the truth of your love, to enkindle our hearts with the fiery passion of this love that goes beyond our own human experience, that envelops us and at the same time transforms us into your sons and daughters and ultimately into saints.
  zh: 我们再次奉祂的名求你将圣灵浇灌在我们身上，用你真理的话语，你爱的真理启迪我们的心智，用这超越我们人类经验的爱的炽热激情点燃我们的心，这爱包围我们，同时将我们转变为你的儿女，最终成为圣徒。
- start: 3901.83
  end: 3904.531
  speaker: unknown
  en: Help us to lay hold of this truth.
  zh: 帮助我们紧紧抓住这个真理。
- start: 3904.672
  end: 3907.613
  speaker: unknown
  en: Forgive us for taking so much grace for granted.
  zh: 原谅我们把如此多的恩典视为理所当然。
- start: 3907.753
  end: 3915.917
  speaker: unknown
  en: And help us to make up for lost time in this lifetime of ours by sharing it and by living it and by enjoying it more and more.
  zh: 帮助我们在这一生中通过分享它、活出它、越来越多地享受它来弥补失去的时间。
- start: 3916.252
  end: 3930.264
  speaker: unknown
  en: And hear us as we pray that family prayer that Jesus taught us, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
  zh: 当我们祈祷耶稣教导我们的家庭祷告时，请垂听我们，我们在天上的父，愿人都尊你的名为圣，愿你的国降临，愿你的旨意行在地上，如同行在天上。
- start: 3930.524
  end: 3943.916
  speaker: unknown
  en: Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.
  zh: 我们日用的饮食，今日赐给我们。免我们的债，如同我们免了人的债。不叫我们遇见试探，救我们脱离凶恶。
- start: 3944.406
  end: 3944.406
  speaker: unknown
  en: Amen.
  zh: 阿们。
- start: 3944.406
  end: 3948.228
  speaker: unknown
  en: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
  zh: 蒙大恩的马利亚，主和你同在。
- start: 3948.388
  end: 3953.551
  speaker: unknown
  en: Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
  zh: 你在妇女中是有福的，你所怀的胎也是有福的。
- start: 3953.871
  end: 3959.474
  speaker: unknown
  en: Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now at the hour of our death.
  zh: 圣马利亚，主之母，求你为我们罪人祈祷，现在和我们临终的时候。
- start: 3959.474
  end: 3959.915
  speaker: unknown
  en: Amen.
  zh: 阿们。
- start: 3959.915
  end: 3964.837
  speaker: unknown
  en: In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.
  zh: 奉父、子、圣灵的名。阿们。
- start: 3964.837
  end: 3965.698
  speaker: unknown
  en: Thank you very much.
  zh: 非常感谢。
